Where are you at on this whole team name change thing?

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Postby Jake » Fri May 17, 2013 3:59 pm

Will do, IB. Thanks!
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Postby SkinsJock » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:37 am

to stir the pot a little more ... :lol:

this from SouthLondonRedskin ...

"They also had this piece on that site about the name-change debate which I liked ... "

http://www.knowitallfootball.com/2013/0 ... skins-nfl/
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Postby welch » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:47 pm

They were the Boston Redskins, and I suspect they were named to suggest a link to the Boston Braves, and I think the Braves were named for the guys who dressed as Indians when they dumped tea in Boston harbor in 1773.

There are important things to worry about.

For a small start, read Henry David Thoreau's "Walden", and slow down to think about his chapter "Reading". Thoreau suggests that his town's small subsidy to its Lyceum is one of the most valuable ways to spend its money. Here in New York, the last two mayors have repeatedly cut funding for the city libraries, which don't get much money anyhow. Meanwhile, the city pumps money into Yankee Stadium III and Shea Stadium II (aka "CITIField) and probably donated money to build a basketball arena in Brooklyn.

(Libraries are a personal thing. Much of what little I know came from the PG County Library near PG Plaza, and the old DC Central Library on 9th Street. A public library used to be called "the people's university". It should be again, and why fuss over the name of a pro-football team??)

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Postby skinsfan#33 » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:23 am

welch wrote:They were the Boston Redskins, and I suspect they were named to suggest a link to the Boston Braves, and I think the Braves were named for the guys who dressed as Indians when they dumped tea in Boston harbor in 1773.

There are important things to worry about.

For a small start, read Henry David Thoreau's "Walden", and slow down to think about his chapter "Reading". Thoreau suggests that his town's small subsidy to its Lyceum is one of the most valuable ways to spend its money. Here in New York, the last two mayors have repeatedly cut funding for the city libraries, which don't get much money anyhow. Meanwhile, the city pumps money into Yankee Stadium III and Shea Stadium II (aka "CITIField) and probably donated money to build a basketball arena in Brooklyn.

(Libraries are a personal thing. Much of what little I know came from the PG County Library near PG Plaza, and the old DC Central Library on 9th Street. A public library used to be called "the people's university". It should be again, and why fuss over the name of a pro-football team??)


Welch,
I know this is like a month late, but they were the Boston Braves at forst when they played in the same stadium as the MLB Boston Brave (who later maove to Milwalkie then Atlanta). Then the team moved to Fenway Park (don't know why) and changed their name to keep the Indian theme and add a connection to the MLB team that played (and still does) at Fenway Park. REDskins was a natural fit. That is as much though that went into the name change.

When they move to DC the following year they just kept Redskins.

So there are the motives behind Redskins, the name was chosen to pay tribute to Native Americans and to add a connection to the Redsox.

If they change to any name (which i'm whole heartedly against) then the only name I would welcome is Braves. You wouldn't even need to change the fight song!
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Postby langleyparkjoe » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:43 am

"hail to the braaaaves, fight for ole dc"

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I really really hope it doesn't change.. that song would have to be trashed cuz we all know the fans would still say Redskins. :lol:

but Braves or Warriors is fine with me
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Postby Deadskins » Mon Jul 08, 2013 1:22 pm

langleyparkjoe wrote:"hail to the braaaaves, fight for ole dc"

Seems a syllable short to me.
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Postby skinsfan#33 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:05 am

No, just keep singing the fight song as is. Still HTTR. And you have the part were it says Braves on the warpath. It would be the ultimate screw you to everyone. A song can only retain copyright right coverage 70 years after the song writers death. I don't know when GPM's wife died but I bet it isn't too far from that 70 years anyway.

The is only is Snyder loses the trademark protection on redskins. It would be similar to when the NFL forced the Baltimore CFL Colts to change their name, the fansstill still kept chanting Colts even after they became the Stallions.
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Postby 1niksder » Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:58 am

skinsfan#33 wrote:No, just keep singing the fight song as is. Still HTTR. And you have the part were it says Braves on the warpath.


That would work for "most" fans... and brings up a interesting question.


If the Team's name was meant to be derogatory would the the team's fight song refer to them as Braves :?:


Most words can have more than one meaning depending how it is used. Most fans of those three teams in the NFCE that don't like the redskins don't even use it negatively... they go with deadskins (not to be confused with JSPB22 :wink:), foreskins or whatever else the pea brains fart out at the time.

If the Redskins have to change the name of the team, I'm starting a movement to gather thousands of people 6'3" or taller to do something about that insulting name of Mara's team. :twisted:
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Postby langleyparkjoe » Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:16 am

Like I said.. NOBODY in the stands would sing it any other way. :lol:
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Postby yupchagee » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:53 pm

1niksder wrote:
skinsfan#33 wrote:No, just keep singing the fight song as is. Still HTTR. And you have the part were it says Braves on the warpath.


That would work for "most" fans... and brings up a interesting question.


If the Team's name was meant to be derogatory would the the team's fight song refer to them as Braves :?:


Most words can have more than one meaning depending how it is used. Most fans of those three teams in the NFCE that don't like the redskins don't even use it negatively... they go with deadskins (not to be confused with JSPB22 :wink:), foreskins or whatever else the pea brains fart out at the time.

If the Redskins have to change the name of the team, I'm starting a movement to gather thousands of people 6'3" or taller to do something about that insulting name of Mara's team. :twisted:


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Postby DarthMonk » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:10 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:
welch wrote:They were the Boston Redskins, and I suspect they were named to suggest a link to the Boston Braves, and I think the Braves were named for the guys who dressed as Indians when they dumped tea in Boston harbor in 1773.

There are important things to worry about.

For a small start, read Henry David Thoreau's "Walden", and slow down to think about his chapter "Reading". Thoreau suggests that his town's small subsidy to its Lyceum is one of the most valuable ways to spend its money. Here in New York, the last two mayors have repeatedly cut funding for the city libraries, which don't get much money anyhow. Meanwhile, the city pumps money into Yankee Stadium III and Shea Stadium II (aka "CITIField) and probably donated money to build a basketball arena in Brooklyn.

(Libraries are a personal thing. Much of what little I know came from the PG County Library near PG Plaza, and the old DC Central Library on 9th Street. A public library used to be called "the people's university". It should be again, and why fuss over the name of a pro-football team??)


Welch,
I know this is like a month late, but they were the Boston Braves at forst when they played in the same stadium as the MLB Boston Brave (who later maove to Milwalkie then Atlanta). Then the team moved to Fenway Park (don't know why) and changed their name to keep the Indian theme and add a connection to the MLB team that played (and still does) at Fenway Park. REDskins was a natural fit. That is as much though that went into the name change.

When they move to DC the following year they just kept Redskins.

So there are the motives behind Redskins, the name was chosen to pay tribute to Native Americans and to add a connection to the Redsox.

If they change to any name (which i'm whole heartedly against) then the only name I would welcome is Braves. You wouldn't even need to change the fight song!


I agree. This is how I understand the history of the name and this is the only name change I could welcome at this point. Braves is a clear honorific though, as many have posted, there will always be at least one "offended" person ... and the fight song would remain pretty much perfect. Redskins and Braves would simply switch roles so to speak.

welch wrote:Much of what little I know came from the PG County Library near PG Plaza


Same here.

Though there are more important things to worry about we shouldn't simply ignore the smaller stuff. I think if the team name were repugnant enough to you, you'd understand fussing over it. #shrug But the examples you cite are sad.
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Re: Where are you at on this whole team name change thing?

Postby SkinsJock » Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:35 pm

grampi wrote:It's becoming almost a daily news thing now ... the crybaby whiners trying to get the name "Redskins" changed to something else
if I were Danny Boy I'd tell them the name has been the same since 1932 and it's staying this way no matter what!


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Postby masterkwon » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:42 pm

riggofan wrote:"Yes, we realize the name may be offensive to a very small minority of people. We're sorry about that. We just don't care about it enough to change the name."


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Postby paulvs » Wed Jul 17, 2013 8:57 pm

I fear the name change is inevitable. I hope it doesn't happen. I don't think it should happen but it is gaining traction because we are good now. But I have been kicking around an idea. Please tell me what you think. Oh, and keep an open mind. Lol. The haters always use the term DeadSkins to make fun of us. That coupled with an all-time high in zombie popularity and you have your new name. The Washington Deadskins. You instantly take away the haters ammo. You only have to tweak the helmet logo a little to look like a zombie and even the song only gets slightly adjusted "Eat em, Stomp em touchdown let the points soar". That kind of thing. One of our colors is almost that of blood anyway. Just a thought. Maybe a dumb one.

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Re: Untapped new name possibility

Postby Deadskins » Thu Jul 18, 2013 12:17 pm

paulvs wrote:The Washington Deadskins. You instantly take away the haters ammo.

I like it!
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