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emoses14
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| Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| 1niksder wrote: | | emoses14 wrote: | OK, so your point then, Skins, is that I shouldn't worry about the ability to pay Fred Davis because Eric Schaffer is literally a genius with the cap? I've read 1nik make this point a few times before andI get it. But the problem that I have with this line of logic is a variable of the time it takes to work out the contracts with the already signed guys (restructuring) and to work out the contract with Fred all while beating some other team to the punch. That's why I was not worried 2 days ago, but am now.
The logic that 1nik has in that article does a much better job of calming my fear of signing our draft picks and going after 1 free agent who isn't being actively sought early in Free Agency. I'm not sure it works as well for Fred, who I presume is a sought after commodity. I hope I'm wrong about that. And I hope I'm wrong about the fact that money under a salary cap is inelastic. Robbing Peter to pay Paul eventually catches up. Now for us that would only happen in the margins because of Shaffer's abilities. MY FEAR is that the margin it catches up to us in is Davis' contract.
It just can't be as simple as "Mike and Bruce want him, so he stays." If that were really the case, Bruce Allen wouldn't have called an entire press conference to do nothing but (justifiably) complain. |
From what I hear....
Talib signed with the Pats for 1yr/$5M with a 3yr/$17M deal on the table...
Talib signed with the Pats for 1yr/$5M while the Skins were trying to come up with a plan to clear cap space.
Time IS a factor, it the player is on the market to long his value drops,,, this good for the Skins but if a player has more than one offer on the table and the money is close they aren't waiting  |
Thanks 1nik, everyday with nothing really new in Fred I get both more hopeful and more nervous for that very reason. |
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skinsfan#33
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| SkinsJock wrote: | sorry sf33 - I kind of disagree with you ... 
this is a case of having your cake and eating it too ... 
Davis is staying because despite what some may think - we're much better off at TE with him - we're only OK at TE without him - END OF STORY
we also will find a way to both have a decent RT and fix the defensive secondary which is the paramount need right now
we're adding players through free agency and the draft that will continue to be an impact and provide depth |
Aside from the pretentious, omnipotent END OF STORY crap I agree that we are better at TE with Davis than we are w/o him. And yes we are just ok at TE w/o him. But we aren't even Ok right now at those spots I mentioned!
Yes, we may be able to have our cake and eat it too (even if it is an Betty Crocker easy bake), but most likely we simply won't be able to address all of our beefs in both FA and the draft.
My point was, if it came down to resigning Davis our improving at those other spots, that is an easy one. We have a capable player at TE and a Young guy with a lot of talent at TE. You just can't say that about those other spots. |
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SkinsJock
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The Redskins CAN afford to both have Davis at TE, bring in free agents AND sign their draft picks
1niksder has shown that the Redskins' Eric Shaffer CAN 'make it happen' - we are VERY fortunate - gotta love it
AND THAT is why the Redskins are waiting to see exactly what their up against  |
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HTTRRG3ALMO
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| Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| SkinsJock wrote: | The Redskins CAN afford to both have Davis at TE, bring in free agents AND sign their draft picks
1niksder has shown that the Redskins' Eric Shaffer CAN 'make it happen' - we are VERY fortunate - gotta love it
AND THAT is why the Redskins are waiting to see exactly what their up against |
Be warned I didn't get much sleep at night at all. Is the article you linked in a previous thread (about this) saying that we are going to go over our cap because it isn't "literal"?
Fellow readers be warned, I very quickly raced over the article and could have missed obvious points.
Thanks for the clarity in advance  |
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HTTRRG3ALMO
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| Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| He definitely threw it. |
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The Hogster
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| Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | He definitely threw it. |
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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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this is an article by 1niksder that may help
http://www.thehogs.net/content/index.php?id=1408
it seems to me that the Redskins are very fortunate to have a guy like Eric Shaffer - we seem to be waiting to see what 'adjustments' need to be made to 'conform' |
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The Hogster
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The Redskins offseason with the cap hit has been like watching paint dry. But, I am of the mind that this is for the best. Keep building on what we have with the guys here, and through the draft. Next year, is when the final pieces can be added. Until then, pull up a chair.
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HTTRRG3ALMO
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| The Hogster wrote: | The Redskins offseason with the cap hit has been like watching paint dry. But, I am of the mind that this is for the best. Keep building on what we have with the guys here, and through the draft. Next year, is when the final pieces can be added. Until then, pull up a chair.
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I think we'll do pretty good this year with the draft. However, like you said, I think we will be "complete" after next year's draft...and scary
Almost makes you afraid to start our key players this year  |
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SkinsJock
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some of our "key players" this year may not be good enough to win their jobs back next season  |
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HTTRRG3ALMO
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| SkinsJock wrote: | | some of our "key players" this year may not be good enough to win their jobs back next season |
In saying "win" they're jobs back I can only summize you mean a better player c-ame along and out-performed.
Works for me As long as we're upgrading players & skill they can do whatever |
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SkinsJock
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put another way .... the roster this season will be good enough to be competitive
there will be a number of starters this season that will lose their starting jobs to other players next season as we continue to get better
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Chris Luva Luva
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| SkinsJock wrote: | put another way .... the roster this season will be good enough to be competitive
there will be a number of starters this season that will lose their starting jobs to other players next season as we continue to get better
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This cap thing caused some "issues" with our plans. But as stated above, this team WILL be competitive. Need proof?
We decisively won an entire game without RGIII last year...
We closed out another game without RGIII...
What I'm saying is... This team turned the corner last year and it's bigger than any one player. They bought in. They're exceeding in many aspects of the game and they'll continue to do so. This did NOT just occur last year, as many of us saw the progress increasing. It just finally translated into Wins. |
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SkinsJock
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I agree CLL - the people 'managing' the roster and this franchise have done an incredible job over the past few years
this team will be better this season and while I'm not saying we'll win the NFC East again - we will be competitive - we will be playing with an attitude again
by next season's free agency time I predict this franchise will be in a position of really great strength - I don't ever see these guys just adding the BPA
they will continue to value each and every player they bring in here
they will also ONLY keep those players that they feel will really help the other players around them
we all are now seeing the results of what happens when guys know what they are doing AND have a plan
the Shanaplan is going to be looked at and respected for a long time |
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