Kai Forbath - New Kicker

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Postby Red_One43 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:25 am

SkinsJock wrote:thanks - :)

I was just really pissed at the time - the kick was technically 'blocked' but as you pointed out (and I saw) the kick NEVER would have made it over the bar

I do like the fact that Forbath has done well with the FGs the past few weeks ...

HOWEVER

all this kid needs to do is kick and he apparently can kick the ball a decent distance or he would not make 40+ yard FGs

find out what it takes to kick the kick-offs deeper and do that - this is not hard to do

Suisham (for one) does not have near as good a leg as this kid ...

and he's older


rant over :roll:


Forbath appears to be the polar opposite of Cundif - Forbath, so far, is deadly accurate with a strong leg on FGs, long and short, but can't kick off deep. Cundif could (notice the past tense) kick the ball deep on kick offs, but couldn't make a long (or short) FG to save his life (career).

Don't understsnd it. Forbath does say that he didn't have to kick off in college, so it seems that he might be able to improve with more practice.

He did nail a couple of directional kicks yesterday.

From what we have seen so far, we definitely want to give this kid a chance to get better with his weaknesses.

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Postby tribeofjudah » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:29 am

SkinsJock wrote:There are ONLY 2 things that a kicker needs to do

ONLY 2

kickoffs have to be deep or through the end zone

AND - MOST IMPORTANT ...


NEVER, EVER miss an extra point

Forbath is NOT a good kicker


come on DUDE.....blocked FG is on the Oline. NUF SAID
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Postby SkinsJock » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:57 am

tribeofjudah wrote:.. come on DUDE.....blocked FG is on the Oline. NUF SAID


G'day DUDE - maybe you missed that I like how dependable Forbath is as a FG kicker

now ... DUDE - humor me a little - did you see the extra point?

did you notice (as Red_One and I did) how low the kick was .. ? the ball would have gone under the bar if it had not hit someone

as you aptly put it "NUF SAID" - DUDE


on a slightly different note - Forbath needs to find a way to kick the kick-offs deeper or get another job - NUF SAID :roll:
We are very fortunate to have Kirk Cousins but Griffin has a huge upside IMO

Robert needs to continue to get better and to do that he needs time on the field - hopefully sooner than later

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Postby Red_One43 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:06 am

K Kai Forbath had an extra point blocked. That appeared to result from a low kick, an assessment Mike Shanahan agreed with. However, Forbath connected on field goals from 48 and 45 yards in miserable conditions. And consider that Forbath’s 48-yarder was into the vaunted open end of Heinz Field.
“That’s a guy taking advantage of an opportunity,” Shanahan said. “For a guy to come in and do what he’s done and never been in the National Football League is pretty impressive to me.”


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Postby riggofan » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:14 am

I know what you're saying SkinsJock, that kick did look low. But the big thing I noticed when I watched that replay was that two Steelers got completely behind the o-line before Forbath ever touches the ball. One of those guys gets around Golston before he even gets his hand out of the dirt!!! It looks like maybe he didn't hear the snap or something?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/washington-re ... rs-defense

You should definitely take a closer look at the replay. I don't think the kick was low as much as two Steelers were five yards closer to the kicker than they should have been.

Kickoffs need to be better, but the kid is nailing his FGs (and Heinz field is supposed to be a crappy place to kick). We should be happy about that. Surely they can work on his ability to kick the ball out of the endzone on kickoffs.

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Postby Red_One43 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:41 am

riggofan wrote:I know what you're saying SkinsJock, that kick did look low. But the big thing I noticed when I watched that replay was that two Steelers got completely behind the o-line before Forbath ever touches the ball. One of those guys gets around Golston before he even gets his hand out of the dirt!!! It looks like maybe he didn't hear the snap or something?

http://www.nfl.com/videos/washington-re ... rs-defense

You should definitely take a closer look at the replay. I don't think the kick was low as much as two Steelers were five yards closer to the kicker than they should have been.

Kickoffs need to be better, but the kid is nailing his FGs (and Heinz field is supposed to be a crappy place to kick). We should be happy about that. Surely they can work on his ability to kick the ball out of the endzone on kickoffs.


Rich Campbell, Washingotn Times, is reporting that Shanny assessment is that it was a low kick.

The video does show that the Steeler got penetration through Golston and that was a factor for the low kick being blocked. We have seen many low kicks make it through the uprights, so without the penetration, it appears the XP is good. NFL.com lists the kick as blocked so I believe that offically the kick was blocked.

Every once in while a kicker is going to have a low kick especially in sloppy conditions, but Golston's play is inexcusable and since this keeps happening to the Skins, somebody needs to be held accountable.

Thanks for posting the video.

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Postby Deadskins » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:46 am

SkinsJock wrote:the kick NEVER would have made it over the bar

Please, it may have been low, but it wasn't that low.
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Postby SkinsJock » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:14 pm

I'll give Forbath a break ... for now


but ..... I will be back to this on 11/19 if this kid is not banging his kick-offs deeper

THAT is all he has to work on - find a way to get the kick-offs high OR into the end zone
We are very fortunate to have Kirk Cousins but Griffin has a huge upside IMO

Robert needs to continue to get better and to do that he needs time on the field - hopefully sooner than later

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Postby jmooney » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:22 pm

SkinsJock wrote:I'll give Forbath a break ... for now


but ..... I will be back to this on 11/19 if this kid is not banging his kick-offs deeper

THAT is all he has to work on - find a way to get the kick-offs high OR into the end zone


When he's asked to kick into the corner, he's much better. Even kicks farther that way. Dunno why Danny hasn't noticed this.

I'd like to see him kick deeper straight away too but, the fact is, this rookie has made 1 rookie mistake so far. The last several vets we had in here were making rookie mistakes more than once per game. He hasn't cost us a game yet like the last few kickers. I'll wait til then til I jump on him. I do see what youre saying though.

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Postby Richmond Redskin » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:07 am

He did not kick off in college, they had a specialist so I give him a break on the lack of deep kicks. HOpefully it will get better. The extra point aside (which was awful) he has been solid and hopefullly kicks for the Skins for a long time

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Postby SkinsJock » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:39 am

I also hope that Forbath can continue to make all his FGs

that's what kickers should do - that is what they are paid to do

HOWEVER

part of the job is to also kick the ball off a tee - ALL THAT MATTERS ABOUT KICKOFFS is that the next play should be at the 20 yard line or inside it - No kicker keeps his job if they cannot do that consistently


we shall see :roll:
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Postby DarthMonk » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:23 am

“It shows you what type of guy he is,” Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said. “He came in [Week 6 for a workout] competition from a couple of veterans, and won the competition. It’s always kind of nice to take a chance on a guy that hasn’t had an opportunity in the National Football League. … To see a guy that handles himself the right way have that type of success, you are always rooting for a guy like that. He’s a class guy. It looks like he has ice in his veins, and he believes that he is going to make every kick, and he has.

Forbath said he pushed thoughts of the potential record out of his head, and maintained the same even keel with which he approaches his games and kicks.

But he admitted that on a windy day, his kicks caused a bit more anxiety as they traveled through the air.

“Well, today, me and Sav both kind of watched them for a little bit longer because of the wind that was holding it up a little bit,” he said. “I got nervous on the first one. I thought it might come up short. We did it like normal today. We didn’t react differently. Kind of in the back of our minds, we knew what was going on, but we didn’t make that an issue, and didn’t try to do anything different.

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Postby emoses14 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:36 am

DarthMonk wrote:“It shows you what type of guy he is,” Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said. “He came in [Week 6 for a workout] competition from a couple of veterans, and won the competition. It’s always kind of nice to take a chance on a guy that hasn’t had an opportunity in the National Football League. … To see a guy that handles himself the right way have that type of success, you are always rooting for a guy like that. He’s a class guy. It looks like he has ice in his veins, and he believes that he is going to make every kick, and he has.

Forbath said he pushed thoughts of the potential record out of his head, and maintained the same even keel with which he approaches his games and kicks.

But he admitted that on a windy day, his kicks caused a bit more anxiety as they traveled through the air.

“Well, today, me and Sav both kind of watched them for a little bit longer because of the wind that was holding it up a little bit,” he said. “I got nervous on the first one. I thought it might come up short. We did it like normal today. We didn’t react differently. Kind of in the back of our minds, we knew what was going on, but we didn’t make that an issue, and didn’t try to do anything different.

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Postby Redskinsfansince81 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 8:44 am

This talk about getting rid of Forbath because he doesn't kickoff deep
is a joke right? LOL

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Postby crazyhorse1 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:01 pm

Redskinsfansince81 wrote:This talk about getting rid of Forbath because he doesn't kickoff deep
is a joke right? LOL


I hope it's a joke. If it's not, someone doesn't know football. Maybe Denver should cut Peyton Manning because he can't run. If Forbath, who probably a pro-bowl choice , never learns to kick deep, it wouldn't kill us to give up one of our receivers who never contributes for a kick-off specialist. Would I rather have Forbath, or Briscoe?
Need I ask.

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