» Redskin All-Time Team Poll - QB

Countertrey · Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:42 pm Post subject:

Sammy would have been traded. Allen would not brook dissent.

He preferred Kilmer, not because he thought he was better... but because he was good enough... and did what he was told... didn't go scoring touchdowns when he was told to set up a field goal... dag nabit. I need some milk...

yupchagee · Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 6:46 pm Post subject:

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HarleyHog · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject:

SONNY was probably the best passer, but that doesn't encompass the entire scope of a QB's function. The function is to lead the team to victories and championships. Sammy Baugh joined the Redskins in 1937 as a rookie from Texas Christian University and led them to a national title. This was the same year the Redskins moved from Boston to Washington. New City, Rookie QB, Championship! How can you be any better?

SAMMY

HarleyHog · Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject:

SONNY also lived across the street from my gradeschool in Mt Vernon. still gotta go with Sammy

DarthMonk · DarthMonk Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 3204

Just bringing this too the top to encourage one more week of voting.

In response to some other questions ...

I will make this a 53-man roster.

We will have 2 at all positions (starter and backup) except we will have 3 RB, 2 TE, and 4 WR. This allows for all the sets we've run over the years.

That makes 48. The other 5 are PK, punter, long snapper, KR, and PR.

We will also choose a coach, a GM, and an owner.

I'll try to come to a consensus top 3 at each position before polling (top 5 at RB, top 4 at TE, and top 6 at WR).

DarthMonk

Deadskins · Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:56 pm Post subject:

DarthMonk · DarthMonk Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 3204

Deadskins · Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:37 pm Post subject:

Don't know but I cout very well see Baugh ending up at punter, and maybe safety. And a WR or DB ending up as our return guy.

welch · Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject:

1. Crazy George Allen's opinions about QB have no weight. George hated offense and feared using the pass.

2. George's game plan: kick deep, go on defense, take the ball away, kick a FG or run back an interception.

3. George had the offensive coordinator, whether Ted Marchibroda or Joe Walton, call the safest running plays. Larry Brown left, Larry Brown right, screen pass to Larry.

4. We sometimes cheered when the Redskins fell behind, because then George would have to let Kilmer throw to Charley Taylor, Roy Jefferson, or Jerry Smith. In the tired debate about whether Smith belongs in the HoF, note that Smith's receptions dropped off when Old George took over, because George wouldn't throw to Smith except down close...high percentage of TDs.

5. Sonny might call any play at any time. He had a feel for the opponent, and kept them off balance. He would throw a 20-yard down&out to Jerry Smith just as confidently as he would to Charley Taylor.

6. I'm a Redskin Fan and I Like(d) Sonny. Was that People's Drugstore?

7. Kilmer had to wind up to throw. Sometimes he lost his grip and threw a flapping duck. Sometimes he could drill a pass. We never knew in advance.

8. Sonny was the best passer of his time...say, 1960 - 1974. He was the same age as Bart Starr, John Brodie, and Johnny Unitas, and he overlapped the last years of YA Tittle, but Sonny was in a league above theirs. That's the only way to describe it...Starr and Unitas were great QB's, but Sonny was so much better that in baseball you would be comparing some good AAA pitchers to Stephen Strassburg (or Tom Seaver).

9. How was Sonny better? The quickest release...so good that the only way people described the young Dan Marino was to say "the best since Sonny". Accurate...just perfect. Put the ball wherever he wanted. Sam Huff says that Sonny could throw a curve ball, could bend a pass around a defender. Sam saw that in practice. I remember when Sonny completed a pass behind his back. (Against the Redskins...he was with the Eagles). DE had leaped onto Sonny's left shoulder, so Sonny drilled a perfect spiral underhand and behind his back to...probably Tommy MacDonald.

10. When his arm began to weaken, meaning Sonny could only throw a perfect pass 60 or 75 yards, instead of 100, Sonny still destroyed the new zone defenses. His completion percentage went up in '72, until he snapped his achilles tendon. In '74, his last season, Sonny led an 80 yard last possession drive to beat the SB champ Dolphins, who knew he would pass on every down. Did the same against the Giants, only he came in to replace Kilmer, who was injured in about the 3rd quarter. Completed something like 17 consecutive passes to bring the Redskins from way back to win.

11. Summarize: Sonny thought quicker than any defender. He acted as quickly as he thought. He threw the ball with less effort and wind-up than anyone in football...then or now. He hit his targets. One of the plays on "Have you seen Sonny?" looks like Larry Brown is covered, then Sonny throws exactly to a spot that Brown will get to, and the throw looks almost like Sonny has reached 15 or 20 yards to hand the ball to Brown...while the defender just looks baffled.

Countertrey · Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:49 pm Post subject:

Excellent, John.

I forgive you for stealing my lunch money.