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The Hogster
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Red_One43
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Hogster, the link for "RGIII comfortable with the playbook" will not copy. When you post it, it automatically goes to the latest video RP Update. For those who want to view the RGIII video, scroll down and you will find it. IT is definitely worth watching concerning this topic - good post! |
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SkinsJock
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there are a few that either don't think that RGIII will become a great QB or are hoping he will not
there are many more, all of whom seem to know a lot more about QBs in the NFL, that are very sure he will, at worst, be a good QB
I know which group I have more faith in about this QB
there is no way that this kid could fool all those scouts and fans by not being able to have a handle on what plays he was running in college |
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1niksder
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| Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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Hey Hogster, the link for "RGIII comfortable with the playbook" will not copy. When you post it, it automatically goes to the latest video RP Update. For those who want to view the RGIII video, scroll down and you will find it. IT is definitely worth watching concerning this topic - good post! |
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markshark84
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| Red_One43 wrote: | | markshark84 wrote: | | This transition is going to be tough. I hope he understands that -- and when I say understand, I mean truly understanding. He is saying all the right things, but RGIII is a very smart guy, he knows what people want to hear. I hope he is actually listening to himself. |
Hey Mark, check out what Shanny said about RGIII after only one mini camp. What are you basing your opinion on? You were negative about the RGIII before the draft and you continue to be even though the positive evidence is out there for even you to see.
Mike Shanahan on RGIII:
| Quote: | | “He’s great,” Shanahan said of Griffin. “I don’t think we had one bust with a play call or coverages the whole minicamp.” |
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/06/griffin-hopes-cousins-can-be-the-kubiak-to-his-elway/
| Quote: | According to Shanahan, Griffin was everything a coach could love during the five practices that made up the minicamp. The rookie had studied in advance and arrived with a rudimentary knowledge of the playbook.
"You can see what an incredible athlete he is," Shanahan said. "I was impressed because the first day we didn't have one bust with a formation or a play call, and I don't think I ever had that in any minicamp that I've been involved with." |
Check out the video in the link below
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7896890/mike-shanahan-says-robert-griffin-iii-start-washington-redskins-day-1 |
While I do understand how it appears that I am negative, it is more being cautious. While I am extremely excited, there are some things that most fans have decided to overlook with regards to RGIII's game mainly because we have been so desperate for a QB for so long.
It may be that I don't want to be vastly disappointed again or that I have just grown bitter to the abundantly common over-hyping of players that is now a mainstay in washington.
If there is anything I have learned over the past 10 years, it is that I'll believe it when I see it. I'm sure RGIII can digest a playbook -- he was a very good student at Baylor. I am just the type of person that needs someone to acutally produce before I annoint them the next savior in washington. I write this more to show that being an elite QB isn't something that is earned in college. |
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SkinsJock
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.. it's just that the posts have come across that RGIII might not be as good a QB in the NFL as expected
there is little to zero chance that RGIII will not be a huge help to the offense here
there is little to zero chance that RGIII will not be a huge help to this franchise having a consistently competitive product on the field
why not just watch that play out here - why would any Redskins' fan want to consider anything else
I tried to restrain from using caps or pointing to the great job the FO has done ...................  I guess I just did
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SouthLondonRedskin
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| SkinsJock wrote: | | .. or pointing to the great job the FO has done I guess I just did |
Wait.... wait.... There it is!
I thought someone had hacked your account for a second there, and then the FO popped up to save the day!!!
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Countertrey
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| markshark84 wrote: | | Red_One43 wrote: | | markshark84 wrote: | | This transition is going to be tough. I hope he understands that -- and when I say understand, I mean truly understanding. He is saying all the right things, but RGIII is a very smart guy, he knows what people want to hear. I hope he is actually listening to himself. |
Hey Mark, check out what Shanny said about RGIII after only one mini camp. What are you basing your opinion on? You were negative about the RGIII before the draft and you continue to be even though the positive evidence is out there for even you to see.
Mike Shanahan on RGIII:
| Quote: | | “He’s great,” Shanahan said of Griffin. “I don’t think we had one bust with a play call or coverages the whole minicamp.” |
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/06/griffin-hopes-cousins-can-be-the-kubiak-to-his-elway/
| Quote: | According to Shanahan, Griffin was everything a coach could love during the five practices that made up the minicamp. The rookie had studied in advance and arrived with a rudimentary knowledge of the playbook.
"You can see what an incredible athlete he is," Shanahan said. "I was impressed because the first day we didn't have one bust with a formation or a play call, and I don't think I ever had that in any minicamp that I've been involved with." |
Check out the video in the link below
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7896890/mike-shanahan-says-robert-griffin-iii-start-washington-redskins-day-1 |
While I do understand how it appears that I am negative, it is more being cautious. While I am extremely excited, there are some things that most fans have decided to overlook with regards to RGIII's game mainly because we have been so desperate for a QB for so long.
It may be that I don't want to be vastly disappointed again or that I have just grown bitter to the abundantly common over-hyping of players that is now a mainstay in washington.
If there is anything I have learned over the past 10 years, it is that I'll believe it when I see it. I'm sure RGIII can digest a playbook -- he was a very good student at Baylor. I am just the type of person that needs someone to acutally produce before I annoint them the next savior in washington. I write this more to show that being an elite QB isn't something that is earned in college. |
I'm still waiting for the point... I really don't see anyone "annointing" him... I see an awful lot of excitement over his potential, and the likelihood that he represents a new era of competitiveness. |
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Red_One43
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| 1niksder wrote: | | Red_One43 wrote: |
Hey Hogster, the link for "RGIII comfortable with the playbook" will not copy. When you post it, it automatically goes to the latest video RP Update. For those who want to view the RGIII video, scroll down and you will find it. IT is definitely worth watching concerning this topic - good post! |
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Red_One43
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| Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| markshark84 wrote: | | Red_One43 wrote: | | markshark84 wrote: | | This transition is going to be tough. I hope he understands that -- and when I say understand, I mean truly understanding. He is saying all the right things, but RGIII is a very smart guy, he knows what people want to hear. I hope he is actually listening to himself. |
Hey Mark, check out what Shanny said about RGIII after only one mini camp. What are you basing your opinion on? You were negative about the RGIII before the draft and you continue to be even though the positive evidence is out there for even you to see.
Mike Shanahan on RGIII:
| Quote: | | “He’s great,” Shanahan said of Griffin. “I don’t think we had one bust with a play call or coverages the whole minicamp.” |
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/06/griffin-hopes-cousins-can-be-the-kubiak-to-his-elway/
| Quote: | According to Shanahan, Griffin was everything a coach could love during the five practices that made up the minicamp. The rookie had studied in advance and arrived with a rudimentary knowledge of the playbook.
"You can see what an incredible athlete he is," Shanahan said. "I was impressed because the first day we didn't have one bust with a formation or a play call, and I don't think I ever had that in any minicamp that I've been involved with." |
Check out the video in the link below
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7896890/mike-shanahan-says-robert-griffin-iii-start-washington-redskins-day-1 |
While I do understand how it appears that I am negative, it is more being cautious. While I am extremely excited, there are some things that most fans have decided to overlook with regards to RGIII's game mainly because we have been so desperate for a QB for so long.
It may be that I don't want to be vastly disappointed again or that I have just grown bitter to the abundantly common over-hyping of players that is now a mainstay in washington.
If there is anything I have learned over the past 10 years, it is that I'll believe it when I see it. I'm sure RGIII can digest a playbook -- he was a very good student at Baylor. I am just the type of person that needs someone to acutally produce before I annoint them the next savior in washington. I write this more to show that being an elite QB isn't something that is earned in college. |
I get the "I'll believe it when I see it" part," but do you have to knock it down before you see it? That is a rhetorical question.
Thank you for the explanation of your prespective. Though I don't agree with your perspective, it helps me put a tone on your post that probably fits your intent. |
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SkinsJock
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this is not the same old Redskins
there have been very significant changes here
we are not quite there yet ... but we're very close  |
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markshark84
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Wow. I don't think I have been responded to as much about anything before these comments...
What I post I do not consider as "knocking" RGIII; I see it as analysis based on his performance/circumstance in college (which sort of makes me think that some people may be a little over-sensitive of RGIII critism or even simple analysis based on his college game). If I were "knocking" him, you would know it. I am the type that will straight out say I dont' think someone is not a good player and will not work out. Saying a QB played in a spread offense, has small hands, needs to put on weight etc. -- I say these things as analysis. I said similar things about Alex Smith when he came out (re hand size) -- yet I still though he was a solid QB. I don't offer a conclusion (actually my only real conclusions have been that I am optimistic he will work out), so I'm not sure how people see these things as an attempt to say he will be a flop. Honestly, I look at a lot of what I am saying as warning that the franchise will need to be patient with RGIII because while he has skill, he doesn't have experience in an NFL style offense (among other things). When players come in with this type of hype there is an expectation, and if they immediately don't meet those expectations, people tend to write them off -- and I don't want that to happen in the case of RGIII.
But, in terms of people "annointing" him -- I am not sure how you don't see the annoiting....
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828c28d9/article/robert-griffin-iii-faces-unparalleled-pressure-as-redskins-savior
To continue, people have serious RGIII fever. Fans are buying RGIII stuff in droves....license plates, tshirts, jerseys, etc.
http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/17859907/redskins-fans-flock-to-fedex-field-for-rgiii-merchandise
There are a ton of people that believe RGIII will just come out and kill it -- and they have no questions about it; as if it is a fact. |
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Red_One43
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| markshark84 wrote: | | (actually my only real conclusions have been that I am optimistic he will work out). |
In an earlier post, markshark84 wrote:
| Quote: | | Regardless, RGIII better be working hard because he has to make a SERIOUS transition. His college days are going to be NOTHING like his pro ones. I seriously question how well he is going to make the transition -- |
I see you have both ends covered here. One post has you saying that you seriously question that he can make the transition and then in your most recent post, you say that you are optimistic.
For this thread topic, RGIII has proven that there is no issue for RGIII with Baylor not having a playbook - the evidence is out there. You have chosen to go with your own opinion vs. the fact that RGIII is taking his transition seriously.
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| Quote: | | which sort of makes me think that some people may be a little over-sensitive of RGIII critism or even simple analysis based on his college game |
The ultimate I want to post my opinion but leave me alone post. Why post it if you don't want to discuss?
This is a Redskin message board, expect fans to get excited over players drafted by the Redskins and buy merchandise. When you post your opinion without basing it on the evidence out there on this topic, then expect folks to challenge your opinion. Why not discuss instead of deflect? |
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SkinsJock
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| my position as the chief of those who reside on the fence is seriously threatened |
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Countertrey
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There's no doubt... expectations are high... at the same time, sane fans here are hoping for a Newton like season, but but expecting a more realistic season with rookie mistakes.
This is probably the most talented college quarterback ever to put on B&G. He will have pressure... it comes with it. I think he'll take care of business, and be fine... real fine... I'm standing on only one side of the fence... and think I'll end up on the right one. |
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