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yupchagee
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| skinsfan#33 wrote: | | cowboykillerzRED wrote: | Gaffney has never even had a 1k yard season... Hes a good number 3 but we got a better one in Morgan/Hankerson.
His stats last year are nothing amazing. |
No, they weren't, bu they still were better than any othe rWR on our team with the exception of Garcon (they were nearly identicle to his)! So that being said, how do you just casually get rid of him?
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He caught a lot of passes when our go to guy, Davis, was drawing defenders. And on top of that had Davis played the last four games then our leading receiver would have been a TE not Gaffney. |
Your point is what?
| cowboykillerzRED wrote: |
Look at his history, if hes so good why does he bounce around from team to team? He couldn't even get off the ps in philthy. Jus sayin |
He was never on the practice squad in Philly, but I'm not intereseted in ancient history. All I know is each of the past three years he has posted his personal best, meaning he is improving not declining! I also know his production is nearly identicle to Garcon, so net-net we gain nothing buy signing Garcon and releasing Gaffney!
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Who's your five? |
I said I would let them duke it out in training camp and then choose. but J.I Holsell (sp?) just said if he had gotten hurt in training camp his entire $2.6M would have counted against the cap, that is a good reason to let him go.
I was just hoping to add Garcon and Morgan to Hankerson, Moss, and Gaffney (I would have cut Moss before Gaffney). I just don't see how this helps us on the football field! |
I think cutting Gafney saves a lot more cap space than cutting Moss. |
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skinsfan#33
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| frankcal20 wrote: | I'm going to keep this simple. The West Coast Offense is structure for run after the catch. Gaffney was one of the worst in the NFL even with those yards.
What Gaffney did VERY well was dissect the defense and when they were in zone, he would sit right down in the open space. Problem was, he would then fall down and get no YAC (Yards after Catch). |
Frank,
You have a point. He wasn't very good with YAC and fell down fir 184 yards. Sure that is roughly 3 yards of YAC per catch. Not very good, Garcon was almost double that.
But their overall production was still the same. In fact, Gaffney had more catches and yards than any Cowturd WR and more catches than any EGirls WR.
I'm not saying he was great, but football outsiders did rank him as the 33rd best WR last year (Gatcon was 81st). The year before Garcon was 61st and Gaffney was 44th with more YAC than Garcon.
I just think there really isn't that much of a difference between the two and would have liked to have both but se la vie! |
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skinsfan#33
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| yupchagee wrote: |
I think cutting Gafney saves a lot more cap space than cutting Moss. |
I don't think that is true after June 1. |
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SkinsJock
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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The fact is ... Gaffney did well for us but this offense is looking a lot different and he apparently was not going to be a player
If the boys here thought that he would be a contributor this season - he'd be here - he's not = time to move on
the train is moving on ... some players that think they should be on it are going to be looking for another ride
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langleyparkjoe
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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there is absolutely no way to justify cutting moss and keeping jgaffney@twitterfollowme.
moss, for all purposes is THE COWBOY KILLER!
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cowboykillerzRGiii
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burgngold4life
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Moss is my guy too.
Reliable against the rivals, and especially when fully healthy.
He will retire a Skin hopefully. |
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| skinpride1 wrote: | | I want to see Hankerson come back strong. Been hearing talk that moss has been working out hard and is in damned good shape. I could see Moss having a strong year with Rg3 throwing to him. I still think Moss has some gas left in the tank. |
Also, he'll be playing in the slot, not being asked to be our #1 and getting double teamed all the time. |
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KazooSkinsFan
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| Chris Luva Luva wrote: | | Jabbar wrote: | | I just heard. I just talked to Mike Shanahan. He said I was going to be making too much, and that they wanted to see what the other players can do. He said there is a chance I can come back, but he said it would be for around the minimum because I wouldn't be the starter anymore. I am not interested in going from being their leading receiver to being third-string, and having my number taken from me. That is pretty much telling me that I am not going to be making the team. Now Drew (Rosenhaus) can start talking to other teams to find me a new home. |
Yea, I want this guy in our locker room. [/sarcasm] |
You kicked butt in this conversation Chris. Gaffney was a contributor last year, I'm not discounting that. But he had some really ugly play as well, we need to get younger, and he screwed up his image with the Twitter nonsense and comments like these. We needed the cap as well. Saying he might be able to come back and compete is a nice way of saying get lost.
Don't go away mad, just go away... |
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Chris Luva Luva
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IMO three things really stifled this offense.
While the last two can be placed on the shoulders of the QB for the most part but not entirely... The first one is the reason why Jabbar is gone, the reason Moss is further down the depth chart
YARDS AFTER CATCH - Nobody got any YAC last year. To be honest, ball placement... Ok. Technically ball placement is an issue of Rex's but when he did put the ball in the right place, our WR's couldn't do anything after the catch. They all lack big play ability but that's not everyone's fault. Some guys aren't built to take it to the house on any given play cus of their size, Leonard comes to mind. However, our shifty players like Jabbar and Moss are just too old. They're holding the offense back.
LACK OF QB ARM STRENGTH - This DESTROYED Anthony Armstrongs effectiveness. He had a breakout year because why? He's faster than most DB's and McRibb had the arm to lead him past the coverage. Torrey Smith in Baltimore can't run a route to save his life but he can run past people and Flacco has the arm to lead him straight out of bounds, lol. Rex has a noodle arm and often, AA had to cut his route short and the DB defended the pass. AA is not Calvin Johnson....
INTERCEPTIONS - no need to elaborate
Almost every stat of Jabbars and Garcon's are similiar. But most people singing that tune are ignoring TWO OF THE MOST IMPORTANT STATS IN TODAYS PASSING ORIENTED LEAGUE!
- YAC
- TD
Garcon really trumps Jabbar in these category's. They win games. If I remember correctly, I think Garcon had 6 more TD's than Jabbar! How many games did we lose by less than a TD!? Add one TD to 6 games and check what our record could have been. |
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HarleyHog
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Perhaps it is just the Shannaplan in motion. It seems like Mike brought him in to ease the pain with Rex, since they had worked together before, but only intended to keep him one year to fill one of many holes in the roster. Yes, he did a solid job in the role, but wasn't spectacular. The plan has us moving on to RGIII and recievers who fit the plan. JG is a good reciever, and will probably catch on somewhere (Pukes?Pats? -they seem to sign everybody) and contribute. If he stayed, I would be comfortable with him on the roster, but I don't see any problem with the remaining group of wr.
The fact that his contract was structured to be a 2.6m hit this year seems to support the idea that he was a one year fix. Does anybody know offhand what he got paid LAST year? |
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riggofan
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| Chris Luva Luva wrote: | | LACK OF QB ARM STRENGTH - This DESTROYED Anthony Armstrongs effectiveness. He had a breakout year because why? He's faster than most DB's and McRibb had the arm to lead him past the coverage. Torrey Smith in Baltimore can't run a route to save his life but he can run past people and Flacco has the arm to lead him straight out of bounds, lol. Rex has a noodle arm and often, AA had to cut his route short and the DB defended the pass. AA is not Calvin Johnson.... |
LMAO. I'm just thinking back on last season with Kyle calling deep shots on the arm of Rex Grossman. Painful. |
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Chris Luva Luva
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| riggofan wrote: | | LMAO. I'm just thinking back on last season with Kyle calling deep shots on the arm of Rex Grossman. Painful. |
The thing is, those play-calls aren't wrong. U MUST keep a defense honest... AND! AND! If Rex had any sort of ability to anticipate his throwns, he could get those passes off earlier and have the same result. Weaker armed QB's must throw the ball earlier in some of those situations. An arm like RGIII can get away with being indecisive more so than Rex's. |
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1niksder
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| Gaffney should be signing with the Pats real soon |
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DarthMonk
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| 1niksder wrote: | | Gaffney should be signing with the Pats real soon |
Yeah, I bet he's not so bummed out all of a sudden.
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