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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| cowboykillerzRED wrote: | I'd say rgiii is a lock at number ten now...
Not that he wasn't before, just want have to pay to wear it. |
The team had already given RGIII number ten. |
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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Chris Luva Luva wrote: | I don't really understand how you guys are confusing Gaffney with Garcon. One is clearly better than the other... If you haven't watched him, check his highlights out. Then check out Jabbars youtube highlights. Notice the difference.
If it's too difficult to discern, I'll make it easy. BIG PLAY ABILITY. Garcon is at 100. Jabbar is at -10.
| Deadskins wrote: | | Sorry, I don't understand this move at this time. Unless Mike truly wants to give Gaffney a chance to catch on somewhere else, why not keep him around until we need the cap room or roster space? |
As Redskin1 pointed out, cap space and there's this thing called professional courtesy. Do you think that Jabbar would give it 100% knowing that he's the odd man out and that he isn't part of the long-term plan here? Why have that dead weight in the facility? Why keep that negative attitude around your young team? Because he put up decent numbers on a terrible offense, numbers that aren't anything special on top tier offenses? He's an average WR at BEST. |
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Chris Luva Luva
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Jabbar wrote: | | I just heard. I just talked to Mike Shanahan. He said I was going to be making too much, and that they wanted to see what the other players can do. He said there is a chance I can come back, but he said it would be for around the minimum because I wouldn't be the starter anymore. I am not interested in going from being their leading receiver to being third-string, and having my number taken from me. That is pretty much telling me that I am not going to be making the team. Now Drew (Rosenhaus) can start talking to other teams to find me a new home. |
Yea, I want this guy in our locker room. [/sarcasm] |
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Chris Luva Luva wrote: | I don't really understand how you guys are confusing Gaffney with Garcon. One is clearly better than the other... If you haven't watched him, check his highlights out. Then check out Jabbars youtube highlights. Notice the difference.
If it's too difficult to discern, I'll make it easy. BIG PLAY ABILITY. Garcon is at 100. Jabbar is at -10.
| Deadskins wrote: | | Sorry, I don't understand this move at this time. Unless Mike truly wants to give Gaffney a chance to catch on somewhere else, why not keep him around until we need the cap room or roster space? |
As Redskin1 pointed out, cap space and there's this thing called professional courtesy. Do you think that Jabbar would give it 100% knowing that he's the odd man out and that he isn't part of the long-term plan here? Why have that dead weight in the facility? Why keep that negative attitude around your young team? Because he put up decent numbers on a terrible offense, numbers that aren't anything special on top tier offenses? He's an average WR at BEST. |
Not saying I disagree with any of that. Reread the highlighted portions of my post. The arbitration hearing is in 9 days. We might have plenty of cap space in a little more than a week. If we don't have to be under the cap or need the roster spot right now, I just don't understand the timing of the move. |
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Chris Luva Luva wrote: | | Jabbar wrote: | | I just heard. I just talked to Mike Shanahan. He said I was going to be making too much, and that they wanted to see what the other players can do. He said there is a chance I can come back, but he said it would be for around the minimum because I wouldn't be the starter anymore. I am not interested in going from being their leading receiver to being third-string, and having my number taken from me. That is pretty much telling me that I am not going to be making the team. Now Drew (Rosenhaus) can start talking to other teams to find me a new home. |
Yea, I want this guy in our locker room. [/sarcasm] |
OK, I hadn't read that. He should have had Drew looking for a new team a week ago.  |
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skinsfan#33
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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He's taller faster and better then garçon? |
no, but he has been just as productive (and that IS WHAT COUNTS) as Garcon over the past three season with worse QB play for two of the three years!
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I understand why people aren't happy about this but I don't see how he'd even get on the field this year with
Hanktime- coming back he is just as tall w good hands and probably more speed |
Look I hope Hanktime is a lot better than Gaffney, but he is still an unproven quantity!
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Garçon- is the same player just younger and faster |
Also Garcon is more expensive and drops more passes, but why do we need to choose? I know WR never get hurt so we never need depth.
Actually I would see Gaffney as a flanker not a split end, he and Garcon would play different spots and Gaffney is CLEARLY more productive then anyone else that might line up there!
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Morgan- is bigger I'd guess faster and was the leading wr on the niners before he got hurt |
WOW! What a play on words! Three catches a game may have been the 49er leading WR at the time, but seriously...
Don't get me wrong, I like the kid and glad to have him as a backup for Garcon, but is he really that much of a different player than AAA?
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Tanna- personally I'd rather keep the skins vet vs a guy who had a decent year |
Productive, but he is definately in decline, while Gaffney posted careeer best for the past three consecutive years. I could see Gaffney playing the slot too.
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Then we have our young guys that may or may not make the team in austin, bb, Robinson, and a whole slew of rookies.
AAA is probably gone too.
Who do you cut instead? He's just an older version of what we got. |
I wouldn't make those decisions now. I would go into training camp and let the play on the field detirmine who to keep! Keep the best five.
Of course the cap hit created by Mara and GoDaHell might have prevented that and again if it was a choice between Gaffney and Cooley (cap space wise) then it is an easy choice. The money you save from Cooley weighed against what you lose production wise is just not worth it compared to the same for Gaffney. |
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cowboykillerzRGiii
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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Gaffney has never even had a 1k yard season... Hes a good number 3 but we got a better one in Morgan/Hankerson.
His stats last year are nothing amazing. He caught a lot of passes when our go to guy, Davis, was drawing defenders. And on top of that had Davis played the last four games then our leading receiver would have been a TE not Gaffney.
Look at his history, if hes so good why does he bounce around from team to team? He couldn't even get off the ps in philthy. Jus sayin
He doesn't return kicks so wouldn't justify cutting BB or any other receiver who does.
Who's your five? |
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| skinsfan#33 wrote: | | Also Garcon is more expensive and drops more passes, but why do we need to choose? I know WR never get hurt so we never need depth. |
But Garcon has a lot more TD's and got those TD's last year with 1/8 of the talent around him. |
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Mississippiskinsfan2
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 Can't see how this could be made into such a big deal  |
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Countertrey
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | cowboykillerzRED wrote: | I'd say rgiii is a lock at number ten now...
Not that he wasn't before, just want have to pay to wear it. |
The team had already given RGIII number ten. |
In fact, the team is marketing Griffin III #10 jerseys...
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cowboykillerzRGiii
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| 100 for the iron on and 300 for stitched?? Fml |
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skinsfan#33
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| cowboykillerzRED wrote: | Gaffney has never even had a 1k yard season... Hes a good number 3 but we got a better one in Morgan/Hankerson.
His stats last year are nothing amazing. |
No, they weren't, bu they still were better than any othe rWR on our team with the exception of Garcon (they were nearly identicle to his)! So that being said, how do you just casually get rid of him?
| cowboykillerzRED wrote: |
He caught a lot of passes when our go to guy, Davis, was drawing defenders. And on top of that had Davis played the last four games then our leading receiver would have been a TE not Gaffney. |
Your point is what?
| cowboykillerzRED wrote: |
Look at his history, if hes so good why does he bounce around from team to team? He couldn't even get off the ps in philthy. Jus sayin |
He was never on the practice squad in Philly, but I'm not intereseted in ancient history. All I know is each of the past three years he has posted his personal best, meaning he is improving not declining! I also know his production is nearly identicle to Garcon, so net-net we gain nothing buy signing Garcon and releasing Gaffney!
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Who's your five? |
I said I would let them duke it out in training camp and then choose. but J.I Holsell (sp?) just said if he had gotten hurt in training camp his entire $2.6M would have counted against the cap, that is a good reason to let him go.
I was just hoping to add Garcon and Morgan to Hankerson, Moss, and Gaffney (I would have cut Moss before Gaffney). I just don't see how this helps us on the football field! |
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skinsfan#33
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| cowboykillerzRED wrote: | | 100 for the iron on and 300 for stitched?? Fml |
I wonder if the decals on the Nike jerseys will last any better than the Reebock or Starter jerseys! |
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mastdark81
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I feel like we should have kept him since he was already under contract and if he couldn't win a 1,2, or 3 job before preseason then cut him.
I wouldn't have even signed Josh Morgan. Thats pretty much his replacement right there, but I would have let some of the other youngins on the team develop like Austin and Hankerson
Does it look like this now?
1. Garcon
2. Moss
3. Morgan
4. Hankerson (I'm assuming he's probably not going to be in great football shape until season starts due to injury)
5. Armstrong
6. Paul
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cowboykillerzRGiii
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My point was he put up decent numbers with Tanja hurt and Davis missing for games. Had they both played every game his numbers go down greatly and isn't worth the money. He was pretty much the number one receiver and put up his best numbers and didn't even break 1k. With the guys we added we are would have paid to much for a 4-6 hundred yard year and q couple Tds. We have that kind of performance on the bench IMO.
Yes he was signed by Philly nd released befor the year started. I guess not ps but camp fodder is any better?
The main point is Garçon has his best years ahead of him and gafney had an inflated year and is on the decline.
His quote above leaves one thing to say, kick rocks *%#$!
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