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bigricky
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:54 am Post subject: Why Can't We Find Gems In The 3rd Round |
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I'm sitting at my desk waiting to go to a boring meeting and looking over mock drafts with at least 3 rounds to see who people are predicting for us in the 3rd. Then I started thinking DAMMMM!!!!! who have we selected in the 3rd over the past 20 years that was a true impact for us and my mind was blank. You have gotta to be kidding me 20 years many different GMs and nothing.
Here the list:
1992: 3 3 18 74 Paul Siever G Penn State
1993: 3 3 15 71 Rick Hamilton LB Central Florida
4 3 24 80 Ed Bunn P Texas-El Paso
1994: 3 3 3 68 Tydus Winans WR Fresno State
4 3 32 97 Joe Patton G Alabama A&M
1995: 3 3 4 68 Darryl Pounds DB Nicholls State
1996: No Pick
1997: 3 3 20 80 Derek Smith LB Arizona State
1998: 2 3 8 69 Skip Hicks RB UCLA
1999: No Pick
2000: 3 3 2 64 Lloyd Harrison DB North Carolina State
2001: No Pick
2002: 3 3 14 79 Rashad Bauman DB Oregon
4 3 22 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah
2003: 2 3 17 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas
2004: 2 3 18 81 Chris Cooley TE Utah State
2005: No Pick
2006: No Pick
2007: No Pick
2008: 4 3 33 96 Chad Rinehart G Northern Iowa
2009: 2 3 16 80 Kevin Barnes DB Maryland
2010: 1 3 0 0 Jeremy Jarmon DT Kentucky
2011: 3 3 15 79 Leonard Hankerson WR Miami (FL)?
16 can't judge Hankerson yet but only Cooley and Dockery have been regular starters and only Cooley has made the probowl that is a disgrace if you ask me. So what should we expect from this years pick...hummm!!! |
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skinsfan#33
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| I see your point but you did miss Derek Smith. He started his entire rookie contract for us (61 games). He played for 11 or 12 seasons and a total of 167 games. If we could find a Derek Smith with every other 3rd round pick we would be doing great! |
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bigricky
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| I remember him and Patton but IMO neither were worth mentioning. Smith only started cuz we were in rebuild mode and we quickly looked to upgrade him. If I'm not mistaken he did play and possibly started for the 49ers. |
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skinsfan#33
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| bigricky wrote: | | I remember him and Patton but IMO neither were worth mentioning. Smith only started cuz we were in rebuild mode and we quickly looked to upgrade him. If I'm not mistaken he did play and possibly started for the 49ers. |
Yes, he started over 100 games for the 9ers and I think he even made the PB ones year as an alternate, but that didn't show up on pro-football-reference. |
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The Hogster
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| skinsfan#33 wrote: | | I see your point but you did miss Derek Smith. He started his entire rookie contract for us (61 games). He played for 11 or 12 seasons and a total of 167 games. If we could find a Derek Smith with every other 3rd round pick we would be doing great! |
+1
I think there needs to be some perspective here. The Baltimore Ravens & Patriots have been good at consistently finding players in the mid rounds who start etc. But, that's the exception rather than the rule.
For me, (i) the philosophy that I'd have in the 3rd round is to focus on positions where you get greater value like Interior Linemen, Right Tackle, or RB and (ii) look at highly talented players from smaller schools or less competitive conferences - see Vincent Jackson, Terrell Owens etc.
The Draft is not a science. But, we can do well for ourselves if we do our homework. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't call Cooley nothing. |
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KazooSkinsFan
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Seems our picks have been pretty decent in the third round. Besides Cooley already mentioned, Dockery was a good guard. Barnes is contributing in the secondary. Jarmon was good, but not suited to the 3-4. Hankerson had a heck of a one game season...
What are you expecting? I don't don't find our recent history surprising in any way. |
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riggofan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:59 am Post subject: |
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | Seems our picks have been pretty decent in the third round. Besides Cooley already mentioned, Dockery was a good guard. Barnes is contributing in the secondary. Jarmon was good, but not suited to the 3-4. Hankerson had a heck of a one game season...
What are you expecting? I don't don't find our recent history surprising in any way. |
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DarthMonk
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:15 am Post subject: Re: Why Can't We Find Gems In The 3rd Round |
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| bigricky wrote: | I'm sitting at my desk waiting to go to a boring meeting and looking over mock drafts with at least 3 rounds to see who people are predicting for us in the 3rd. Then I started thinking DAMMMM!!!!! who have we selected in the 3rd over the past 20 years that was a true impact for us and my mind was blank. You have gotta to be kidding me 20 years many different GMs and nothing.
Here the list:
1992: 3 3 18 74 Paul Siever G Penn State
1993: 3 3 15 71 Rick Hamilton LB Central Florida
4 3 24 80 Ed Bunn P Texas-El Paso
1994: 3 3 3 68 Tydus Winans WR Fresno State
4 3 32 97 Joe Patton G Alabama A&M
1995: 3 3 4 68 Darryl Pounds DB Nicholls State
1996: No Pick
1997: 3 3 20 80 Derek Smith LB Arizona State
1998: 2 3 8 69 Skip Hicks RB UCLA
1999: No Pick
2000: 3 3 2 64 Lloyd Harrison DB North Carolina State
2001: No Pick
2002: 3 3 14 79 Rashad Bauman DB Oregon
4 3 22 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah
2003: 2 3 17 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas
2004: 2 3 18 81 Chris Cooley TE Utah State
2005: No Pick
2006: No Pick
2007: No Pick
2008: 4 3 33 96 Chad Rinehart G Northern Iowa
2009: 2 3 16 80 Kevin Barnes DB Maryland
2010: 1 3 0 0 Jeremy Jarmon DT Kentucky
2011: 3 3 15 79 Leonard Hankerson WR Miami (FL)?
16 can't judge Hankerson yet but only Cooley and Dockery have been regular starters and only Cooley has made the probowl that is a disgrace if you ask me. So what should we expect from this years pick...hummm!!! |
It looks like we've done better lately. I agree with Hogman on the value concept though I might leave out RB. I hope we go OL or ILB with the 3rd round if we are not reaching. There will be starter-quality linemen available.
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CPallDAY08
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| Skip Hicks....oh man I forgot about that guy. Thanks for the laugh. |
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Fios
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| The Redskins have also had a grand total of one draft of late in which an actual GM was actually in charge. So I think comparing pre-2011 seasons isn't great as a reference point. |
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The Hogster
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| Fios wrote: | | The Redskins have also had a grand total of one draft of late in which an actual GM was actually in charge. So I think comparing pre-2011 seasons isn't great as a reference point. |
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44diesel
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| Fios wrote: | | The Redskins have also had a grand total of one draft of late in which an actual GM was actually in charge. So I think comparing pre-2011 seasons isn't great as a reference point. |
+1 So true. I try to forget the that "Cerrato years" ever happened.
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The Hogster
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Why Can't We Find Gems In The 3rd Round |
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| DarthMonk wrote: | | bigricky wrote: | I'm sitting at my desk waiting to go to a boring meeting and looking over mock drafts with at least 3 rounds to see who people are predicting for us in the 3rd. Then I started thinking DAMMMM!!!!! who have we selected in the 3rd over the past 20 years that was a true impact for us and my mind was blank. You have gotta to be kidding me 20 years many different GMs and nothing.
Here the list:
1992: 3 3 18 74 Paul Siever G Penn State
1993: 3 3 15 71 Rick Hamilton LB Central Florida
4 3 24 80 Ed Bunn P Texas-El Paso
1994: 3 3 3 68 Tydus Winans WR Fresno State
4 3 32 97 Joe Patton G Alabama A&M
1995: 3 3 4 68 Darryl Pounds DB Nicholls State
1996: No Pick
1997: 3 3 20 80 Derek Smith LB Arizona State
1998: 2 3 8 69 Skip Hicks RB UCLA
1999: No Pick
2000: 3 3 2 64 Lloyd Harrison DB North Carolina State
2001: No Pick
2002: 3 3 14 79 Rashad Bauman DB Oregon
4 3 22 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah
2003: 2 3 17 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas
2004: 2 3 18 81 Chris Cooley TE Utah State
2005: No Pick
2006: No Pick
2007: No Pick
2008: 4 3 33 96 Chad Rinehart G Northern Iowa
2009: 2 3 16 80 Kevin Barnes DB Maryland
2010: 1 3 0 0 Jeremy Jarmon DT Kentucky
2011: 3 3 15 79 Leonard Hankerson WR Miami (FL)?
16 can't judge Hankerson yet but only Cooley and Dockery have been regular starters and only Cooley has made the probowl that is a disgrace if you ask me. So what should we expect from this years pick...hummm!!! |
It looks like we've done better lately. I agree with Hogman on the value concept though I might leave out RB. I hope we go OL or ILB with the 3rd round if we are not reaching. There will be starter-quality linemen available.
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I am a fan of LaMichael James this year, so I threw that on there. I think he's similar in many ways to Ray Rice--who fell in the draft because of his size & school attended. I think he's a top end talent that will be better than other backs taken ahead of him--and he'd add a dimension to our offense that we've never seen before.
James is a shifty, explosive back who catches the ball well, changes direction & accelerates like a canon. With him catching the screen from RG3 or stretching the defense on stretch plays would be lethal in our play action style offense. 4.3 Back 4.3 QB.
I think he instantly makes this Offense explosive. Hopefully our cap penalty is overturned, and we can address OLine in FA once the next round of cap casualties hits the market post draft.
I'm taking this guy with one of the 3 picks between the 3rd & 4th rounds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjljPTvR9b8
I'm out on a limb for James. I think he is the perfect change of pace back in the year 2012. He has explosive ability and deadly speed and quicknesss both as a runner and a pass catcher. Pairing him with RG3?? Seriously. This is my pick. |
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PAPDOG67
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:03 pm Post subject: Re: Why Can't We Find Gems In The 3rd Round |
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| The Hogster wrote: | | DarthMonk wrote: | | bigricky wrote: | I'm sitting at my desk waiting to go to a boring meeting and looking over mock drafts with at least 3 rounds to see who people are predicting for us in the 3rd. Then I started thinking DAMMMM!!!!! who have we selected in the 3rd over the past 20 years that was a true impact for us and my mind was blank. You have gotta to be kidding me 20 years many different GMs and nothing.
Here the list:
1992: 3 3 18 74 Paul Siever G Penn State
1993: 3 3 15 71 Rick Hamilton LB Central Florida
4 3 24 80 Ed Bunn P Texas-El Paso
1994: 3 3 3 68 Tydus Winans WR Fresno State
4 3 32 97 Joe Patton G Alabama A&M
1995: 3 3 4 68 Darryl Pounds DB Nicholls State
1996: No Pick
1997: 3 3 20 80 Derek Smith LB Arizona State
1998: 2 3 8 69 Skip Hicks RB UCLA
1999: No Pick
2000: 3 3 2 64 Lloyd Harrison DB North Carolina State
2001: No Pick
2002: 3 3 14 79 Rashad Bauman DB Oregon
4 3 22 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah
2003: 2 3 17 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas
2004: 2 3 18 81 Chris Cooley TE Utah State
2005: No Pick
2006: No Pick
2007: No Pick
2008: 4 3 33 96 Chad Rinehart G Northern Iowa
2009: 2 3 16 80 Kevin Barnes DB Maryland
2010: 1 3 0 0 Jeremy Jarmon DT Kentucky
2011: 3 3 15 79 Leonard Hankerson WR Miami (FL)?
16 can't judge Hankerson yet but only Cooley and Dockery have been regular starters and only Cooley has made the probowl that is a disgrace if you ask me. So what should we expect from this years pick...hummm!!! |
It looks like we've done better lately. I agree with Hogman on the value concept though I might leave out RB. I hope we go OL or ILB with the 3rd round if we are not reaching. There will be starter-quality linemen available.
DarthMonk |
I am a fan of LaMichael James this year, so I threw that on there. I think he's similar in many ways to Ray Rice--who fell in the draft because of his size & school attended. I think he's a top end talent that will be better than other backs taken ahead of him--and he'd add a dimension to our offense that we've never seen before.
James is a shifty, explosive back who catches the ball well, changes direction & accelerates like a canon. With him catching the screen from RG3 or stretching the defense on stretch plays would be lethal in our play action style offense. 4.3 Back 4.3 QB.
I think he instantly makes this Offense explosive. Hopefully our cap penalty is overturned, and we can address OLine in FA once the next round of cap casualties hits the market post draft.
I'm taking this guy with one of the 3 picks between the 3rd & 4th rounds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjljPTvR9b8
I'm out on a limb for James. I think he is the perfect change of pace back in the year 2012. He has explosive ability and deadly speed and quicknesss both as a runner and a pass catcher. Pairing him with RG3?? Seriously. This is my pick. |
I'm with you on picking James in the 3rd if he's there. He's a HR hitter this offense needs, I just don't know if there will be room for him if we bring back Sgt. Hightower. It will be tough to carry 4 RBs on the active roster. |
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