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Countertrey
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| cleg wrote: | | Yes, but I don't trust the arbitrator. Goodell seems to have infinate power and influence. |
If the arbitor can't be trusted to funciton independently, then, shame on Snyder and Jones... as the best time to address that was when he was contracted.
Chin up... people who do that work trade in their reputations for honesty and fairness. If the teams can't prove their cases... then there may be more to the story than we know.
The thing is, this is not going to be done in public. They are private hearings... and don't expect much of what happens there to be made public. |
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The Hogster
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| Countertrey wrote: | | cleg wrote: | | Yes, but I don't trust the arbitrator. Goodell seems to have infinate power and influence. |
If the arbitor can't be trusted to funciton independently, then, shame on Snyder and Jones... as the best time to address that was when he was contracted.
Chin up... people who do that work trade in their reputations for honesty and fairness. If the teams can't prove their cases... then there may be more to the story than we know.
The thing is, this is not going to be done in public. They are private hearings... and don't expect much of what happens there to be made public. |
The arbitrator for matters involving the NFL is generally determined by the CBA. I don't know Burbank. But, he's a colleague of Andrew Brandt--who is definitely not an NFL puppet. Roger Kaplan has also been fair, and I'd expect Burbank to be the same. |
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riggofan
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| The Hogster wrote: | | The arbitrator for matters involving the NFL is generally determined by the CBA. I don't know Burbank. But, he's a colleague of Andrew Brandt--who is definitely not an NFL puppet. Roger Kaplan has also been fair, and I'd expect Burbank to be the same. |
Is it unusual that we still don't have a date set for arbitration? Seems like this is kind of a time sensitive issue. |
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rick301
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Maybe he has already decided - but is trying to work out a proper settlement/compensations.
I can dream can't I? |
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Countertrey
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| riggofan wrote: | | The Hogster wrote: | | The arbitrator for matters involving the NFL is generally determined by the CBA. I don't know Burbank. But, he's a colleague of Andrew Brandt--who is definitely not an NFL puppet. Roger Kaplan has also been fair, and I'd expect Burbank to be the same. |
Is it unusual that we still don't have a date set for arbitration? Seems like this is kind of a time sensitive issue. |
It's entirely likely that we won't hear anything until it's all done. |
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KazooSkinsFan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:14 am Post subject: |
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| rick301 wrote: | Maybe he has already decided - but is trying to work out a proper settlement/compensations.
I can dream can't I? |
I think you're counting on too much. We may well lose. He could just say with both sides signing off it's a deal. Don't set yourself up for disappointment. |
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Deadskins
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | He could just say with both sides signing off it's a deal. |
When did both sides sign off? |
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riggofan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| Just read somewhere this morning that arbitration may not happen until the summer. Damage done. Well done, Mara. |
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KazooSkinsFan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | He could just say with both sides signing off it's a deal. |
When did both sides sign off? |
You know what I'm referring to. Why don't you say what you disagree with instead of saying duh, what do you mean? |
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Countertrey
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:58 am Post subject: |
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| riggofan wrote: | | Just read somewhere this morning that arbitration may not happen until the summer. Damage done. Well done, Mara. |
This, of course, wouldn't be of any help THIS year... but it could prove a huge benefit NEXT year, especially if the arbitor finds for the Redskins AND assigns damages.
OTOH, he could leave all as it is, and it makes no difference at all... |
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The Hogster
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| riggofan wrote: | | The Hogster wrote: | | The arbitrator for matters involving the NFL is generally determined by the CBA. I don't know Burbank. But, he's a colleague of Andrew Brandt--who is definitely not an NFL puppet. Roger Kaplan has also been fair, and I'd expect Burbank to be the same. |
Is it unusual that we still don't have a date set for arbitration? Seems like this is kind of a time sensitive issue. |
Given the nature of this, I would have expected it to occur before the NFL Draft. But, NFLPA arbitration cases have been notoriously slow to occur. The consequences are unique here though. If I'm representing the teams, I'd have pushed for a swift hearing. |
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Deadskins
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:31 am Post subject: |
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: | | KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | He could just say with both sides signing off it's a deal. |
When did both sides sign off? |
You know what I'm referring to. Why don't you say what you disagree with instead of saying duh, what do you mean? |
Honestly, I haven't a clue what you were talking about... and still don't. 
PS On Redskins matters (and a lot more than you realize in other areas too), you and I tend to agree. Don't be so quick to judge my posts in other forums as adversarial.  |
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riggofan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Countertrey wrote: | | riggofan wrote: | | Just read somewhere this morning that arbitration may not happen until the summer. Damage done. Well done, Mara. |
This, of course, wouldn't be of any help THIS year... but it could prove a huge benefit NEXT year, especially if the arbitor finds for the Redskins AND assigns damages.
OTOH, he could leave all as it is, and it makes no difference at all... |
The "assigns damages" is the key part though, isn't it? What if he just decides the penalty was unfair and removes the penalty? I'm not sure that would mean the entire $36m in cap space carries over to next year. Couldn't we find ourselves in August suddenly with $18m in extra cap space that we can't really use anymore?
I know there are some guys on here who really understand the cap, maybe they could take a stab at dissecting what that would mean. |
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riggofan
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| The Hogster wrote: | | riggofan wrote: | | The Hogster wrote: | | The arbitrator for matters involving the NFL is generally determined by the CBA. I don't know Burbank. But, he's a colleague of Andrew Brandt--who is definitely not an NFL puppet. Roger Kaplan has also been fair, and I'd expect Burbank to be the same. |
Is it unusual that we still don't have a date set for arbitration? Seems like this is kind of a time sensitive issue. |
Given the nature of this, I would have expected it to occur before the NFL Draft. But, NFLPA arbitration cases have been notoriously slow to occur. The consequences are unique here though. If I'm representing the teams, I'd have pushed for a swift hearing. |
That was my thought exactly. I'm really surprised they haven't fast tracked that somehow. |
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1niksder
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Location: If I knew ... it would explain a lot but I've seen Homerville on a map, that wasn't helpful at all
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| riggofan wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | riggofan wrote: | | Just read somewhere this morning that arbitration may not happen until the summer. Damage done. Well done, Mara. |
This, of course, wouldn't be of any help THIS year... but it could prove a huge benefit NEXT year, especially if the arbitor finds for the Redskins AND assigns damages.
OTOH, he could leave all as it is, and it makes no difference at all... |
The "assigns damages" is the key part though, isn't it? What if he just decides the penalty was unfair and removes the penalty? I'm not sure that would mean the entire $36m in cap space carries over to next year. Couldn't we find ourselves in August suddenly with $18m in extra cap space that we can't really use anymore?
I know there are some guys on here who really understand the cap, maybe they could take a stab at dissecting what that would mean. |
Any space not used can be carried over to the next year under the new CBA... the Redskins carried over $13M+ this season then lost $18.4M in "Capgate" for a net lost of $4.6M, throwing other credits the new CBA provided and that net lost dropped to around $2.9M in 2012. If it's a wash and they simply get the space back thay can use it all either next year or re-work current contracts to lock up players that only got 1 or 2 year deals. |
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