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1niksder
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Location: If I knew ... it would explain a lot but I've seen Homerville on a map, that wasn't helpful at all
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | Ummm... Godell doesn't have the power of veto over the owners... THEY employ HIM |
He just screwed two of the people who "employ HIM" |
So they took him out of the equation altogether....
| Quote: | | The fact that the Redskins included the union in the grievance triggered the procedure that allows the teams to avoid a situation in which Commissioner Goodell resolves the matter. Instead, a true outsider will determine whether the action complied with the terms and/or the spirit of the labor deal. |
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Deadskins
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Penalty |
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| 1niksder wrote: | | 1niksder wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: |
There is a third option between the nuclear option and the bend-over-and-take-it option, and that's arbitration. |
I actually think this will get resolved at the owners meeting starting today or tomorrow. Dan and JJ will force the owners to take a vote to make this cap hit official. The NFL won't get the required votes and the cap his will quietly go away. This is the best case situation for the NFL. The Skins and Cowgirls have already felt some punishment, by having to alter their FA plans. The NFL got their pound of flesh (vice the the arm and leg) they wanted and the Skins and Cowgirls get their cap back and come out looking like they won.
I think this just goes away. |
That's step #1 and it may in there, if not it's on to arbitration (step #2) if neither option gets this resolved step three would be to take the league to court.
The only hold up to the owners resolving by a vote is the $1.6M the owners may have to give back, and what to do about the 2012 cap (considering it would have been around $114M if the room hadn't been taken from the teams. |
Or they could..... do this
| Quote: | A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the Cowboys and Redskins have filed a formal grievance against the NFL, the NFL Management Council, and the NFL Players Association challenging the agreement to remove and redistribute cap space allocated to the Cowboys and Redskins in exchange for increasing the total salary cap for 2012 to $120.6 million per team.
Not many details currently are known about the grievance. The other 30 teams will receive a full briefing this week, at the league meetings in Florida. |
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1niksder
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Location: If I knew ... it would explain a lot but I've seen Homerville on a map, that wasn't helpful at all
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: Re: Penalty |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | 1niksder wrote: | | 1niksder wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | | Deadskins wrote: |
There is a third option between the nuclear option and the bend-over-and-take-it option, and that's arbitration. |
I actually think this will get resolved at the owners meeting starting today or tomorrow. Dan and JJ will force the owners to take a vote to make this cap hit official. The NFL won't get the required votes and the cap his will quietly go away. This is the best case situation for the NFL. The Skins and Cowgirls have already felt some punishment, by having to alter their FA plans. The NFL got their pound of flesh (vice the the arm and leg) they wanted and the Skins and Cowgirls get their cap back and come out looking like they won.
I think this just goes away. |
That's step #1 and it may in there, if not it's on to arbitration (step #2) if neither option gets this resolved step three would be to take the league to court.
The only hold up to the owners resolving by a vote is the $1.6M the owners may have to give back, and what to do about the 2012 cap (considering it would have been around $114M if the room hadn't been taken from the teams. |
Or they could..... do this
| Quote: | A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the Cowboys and Redskins have filed a formal grievance against the NFL, the NFL Management Council, and the NFL Players Association challenging the agreement to remove and redistribute cap space allocated to the Cowboys and Redskins in exchange for increasing the total salary cap for 2012 to $120.6 million per team.
Not many details currently are known about the grievance. The other 30 teams will receive a full briefing this week, at the league meetings in Florida. |
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Deadskins
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Yeah, I thought I had scooped Irn-bru, but realized the time in my profile was still EST, not EDT. 
I did look before I posted, though, and didn't see a thread about it already, and I don't know why.  |
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Countertrey
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| Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | Ummm... Godell doesn't have the power of veto over the owners... THEY employ HIM |
He just screwed two of the people who "employ HIM" |
This is a silly response, that is, essentially, non-responsive. Goodell, first of all, did not make this call. Mara did.
Second, IF Goodell has the backing of the "majority" of owners, he get's to screw members of the minority. If Goodell does NOT have the backing of the majority of owners, he looks for a new job.
How about returning with a cogent response? |
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jmooney
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For someone like Mara to "make this call" sounds illegal as well. Considering his franchise stands to benefit from it more than anyone else.
Add in the fact that there were other teams, particularly the Bears and Packers who did exactly the same thing and, were untouched.
I think Snyder and Jones need to set their sights directly on Mara, something sounds awefully fishy there.
I mean, if you can give your company an advantage by penalizing your competitors. Especially when you are in a position of power to enforce such a thing
How is that much different than what he's accusing Snyder and Jones of doing? |
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Countertrey
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| jmooney wrote: | | For someone like Mara to "make this call" sounds illegal as well. Considering his franchise stands to benefit from it more than anyone else. |
Ya think?
| Quote: | | How is that much different than what he's accusing Snyder and Jones of doing? |
Ya think? |
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KazooSkinsFan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Countertrey wrote: | | KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | Ummm... Godell doesn't have the power of veto over the owners... THEY employ HIM |
He just screwed two of the people who "employ HIM" |
This is a silly response, that is, essentially, non-responsive. Goodell, first of all, did not make this call. Mara did.
Second, IF Goodell has the backing of the "majority" of owners, he get's to screw members of the minority. If Goodell does NOT have the backing of the majority of owners, he looks for a new job.
How about returning with a cogent response? |
It's completely responsive. He could have told Mara that he needs to take it up with the owners. It's a dispute between owners and even more so it's division rivals. Mara may have been irked, but he's have had to understand that. It wouldn't have had a long term impact. On the other hand he was willing to burn two bridges to stick his nose in a dispute he had an easy out of. If you were the owner of another team in another division, wouldn't it bother you that he could screw you based on an accusation of one of the rivals in your division? |
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langleyparkjoe
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | If you were the owner of another team in another division, wouldn't it bother you that he could screw you based on an accusation of one of the rivals in your division? |
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Countertrey
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | KazooSkinsFan wrote: | | Countertrey wrote: | | Ummm... Godell doesn't have the power of veto over the owners... THEY employ HIM |
He just screwed two of the people who "employ HIM" |
This is a silly response, that is, essentially, non-responsive. Goodell, first of all, did not make this call. Mara did.
Second, IF Goodell has the backing of the "majority" of owners, he get's to screw members of the minority. If Goodell does NOT have the backing of the majority of owners, he looks for a new job.
How about returning with a cogent response? |
It's completely responsive. He could have told Mara that he needs to take it up with the owners. It's a dispute between owners and even more so it's division rivals. Mara may have been irked, but he's have had to understand that. It wouldn't have had a long term impact. On the other hand he was willing to burn two bridges to stick his nose in a dispute he had an easy out of. If you were the owner of another team in another division, wouldn't it bother you that he could screw you based on an accusation of one of the rivals in your division? |
Problem: The Fat lady has yet to sing. We have no idea what the power structure is among these committees... This one appears to be the most powerful, and politically potent. Mara speaks, Goodell acts.
I suspect that both have severely over-reached. It's possible that the league will find some face saving way to back out of this by the end of the owner's meetings this week.
Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall? |
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riggofan
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| Countertrey wrote: | I suspect that both have severely over-reached. It's possible that the league will find some face saving way to back out of this by the end of the owner's meetings this week.
Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall? |
Heck yeah. I'm curious too where the owners come down on this. Is it all the less profitable teams vs. the richer teams? |
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Deadskins
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| I wouldn't consider the G-strings to be a less profitable team. |
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Countertrey
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| Nor would I... and, I wouldn't be surprized to find that Kraft and Rooney are involved as well... also "not less than profitable"... |
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riggofan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Deadskins wrote: | | I wouldn't consider the G-strings to be a less profitable team. |
No, you're right - I didn't mean to imply that. Mara and the Giants have a much more obvious reason for being willing to penalize two division rivals. |
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KazooSkinsFan
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Countertrey wrote: | | Wouldn't you just love to be a fly on the wall? |
That would be cool |
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