» Gregg Williams "bounty system" in Washington

The Hogster · Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:21 am Post subject:

The Redskins have hurt players a lot--even after Williams left. Vick, Andre Johnson & Adrian Peterson come to mind.. But, I'd like to see the list of players who actually collected bounties and the plays they won them on.

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riggofan · Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:16 am Post subject:

Chris Luva Luva · --- Joined: 28 Jul 2003 Posts: 17794 Location: AJT

The bounties are meaningless. The same hits would occur, with or without the incentive. Do U think millionaires care about an extra $5k? Nope, this is nothing more than a tool used to get guys amped up. No different than when our bosses offer gift-cards/bonuses to get us to do what we should want to do with what we're already paid.

The question is, are they trying to end careers? Some guys, possibly... But I don't think that's what Gregg was asking.

How many times during the course of a game did U wish that Sean Taylor hit would keep a guy out the game?

How many times do U hope that an opposing QB is taken out of a game during a sack?

How many of you were happy when we knocked Vick out of the game?

All of you.... Bounty or no bounty.

riggofan · Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:36 pm Post subject:

I like Brett Favre's quote:

Chris Luva Luva · --- Joined: 28 Jul 2003 Posts: 17794 Location: AJT

I hate that the "NFL" is acting like they didn't know this existed....

Rolling Eyes

The Hogster · Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:14 pm Post subject:

RayNAustin · Hog Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 2312

I believe this issue is beginning to take the form of an illegitimate philosophy of retroactive law enforcement.

That the NFL is now shifting focus and altering rules of the game for the purpose of player safety is obvious, and probably a good thing if not taken too far in a direction that would result in inhibiting the quality of play, as controlled violence has always been a fundamental part of the game. By the same token, the NFL cannot rewrite the history of the league in the process, and apply these new standards as the criteria to judge past actions. That's just not right.

The only legitimate exception to that would be incontrovertible proof that players were instructed to break the rules of play that existed at the time, for the express purpose of injuring an opposing player, and issuing monetary rewards for such conduct. That would show a disregard for the rules of the game as well as the proper observation of "sportsmanship".

As an analogy, it's altogether a different situation if say a PGA pro makes a legitimate error in the application of the rules of golf, and fails to assess himself a penalty, with a player that tries to cheat purposely. If an NFL player is delivering big hits in 2004 that are within the boundaries of the rules at that time, or was an inadvertent violation of the rules (like a marginally late hit) .... it doesn't matter if there were some extra incentives for that ... call it what you will ... a bounty, or a bonus. But if you have guys out there intentionally trying to injure other players ... trying to take someone's knee out and ending their season or career, that's an entirely different thing, and certainly would constitute unsportsmanlike conduct.

With that in mind, I'd say they cannot conveniently ignore examples like Buddy Ryan and his blatant conduct that was considered unsportsmanlike at the time he was coaching, while going after Williams who was, until proven otherwise, simply promoting hard nose football within the confines of the rules of the game.

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The Hogster · Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:44 pm Post subject:

When I was in the Army, the running joke among the ranks was that there was no such thing as "Military Intelligence."

The same could be said about "Player Safety" in the NFL.

This is a violent game, where events like the Combine showcase the size, speed & pure strength of the men who are paid to hunt each other.

It's not going to be "safe." Regardless of the "bounties" or this meeting with Goodell.

GoSkins · Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:04 pm Post subject:

My guess is the NFL needs to cya. If they "condoned this" then they, the NFL, would be subject to lots of law suits. Put simply, the NFL cannot and will not allow a bounty system. But, they can't stop coaches from "grading" players' performances and giving high marks to players who, in this case, make sacks, tackles for losses, et al. Obviously, there can't be grades for taking opposing players out of the game.

Chris Luva Luva · --- Joined: 28 Jul 2003 Posts: 17794 Location: AJT

Rewarding a player with a no contract = bounty system. Laughing

RayNAustin · Hog Joined: 13 Sep 2005 Posts: 2312

The "Bounty" label is really a joke. When you have guys earning 100, 200, and $300,000 or more per game in salary ... the very idea that $200 petty cash dollars doled out in a team meeting is the driving force of that is the epitome of politically correct liberal lunacy.

That $200 is an adult version of the 2nd grade teacher sticking a gold star on their 8 year old student's finger painting.

Another example is military medals .... how much is "bronze" worth? Not much ... it's the symbolism and acknowledgment of an accomplishment, but was never the purpose for the action earning the medal.

I swear, this world of ours today is getting dumber by the second.