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CanesSkins26
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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Both Kiper and McShay released updated mocks today.
Kiper has us taking Devin Thomas with the 21st pick. One interesting and surprising thingabout his mock is that he has Branden Albert from UVA going 5th overall to the Chiefs. Very hard to imagine that happening.
Kiper also has Merling and Harvey going before our pick, and he has DeSean Jackson as the only other receiver going in the first. So under his draft both Kelly and Sweed fall out of the first round (also hard to believe).
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&page=kipermock080401
McShay's mock is somewhat different. He has Malcolm Kelly going 11th to the Bills, Albert 19th to the Eagles, Harvey 13th to the Panthers, Devin Thomas 20th to the Bucs, Jackson to the Cowboys at 22, and Sweed 29th to the 49ers.
So McShay has us passing on Sweed and taking Philip Merling (who Kiper has going 17th to the Vikings) with the 21st pick.
| Quote: | 21. Washington Redskins -- Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
Record: 9-7 | Needs: WR, S, DE, OT, CB, G, C
Previous mock selection: Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
The Redskins' top priority is to add a big, playmaking receiver. But with Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas off the board, expect them to address that need later in the draft. In the meantime, they could either take a chance on Merling, who is dropping due to a recently discovered sports hernia, or fill the void at safety by taking the only potential first-rounder this class has to offer, Kenny Phillips. When healthy, Merling has an outstanding combination of size, quickness and power, which would make him a good fit in a rotation with veteran Phillip Daniels at left end. |
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&page=mcshaymock0401 |
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skinsfan#33
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | Both Kiper and McShay released updated mocks today.
Kiper has us taking Devin Thomas with the 21st pick. One interesting and surprising thingabout his mock is that he has Branden Albert from UVA going 5th overall to the Chiefs. Very hard to imagine that happening.
Kiper also has Merling and Harvey going before our pick, and he has DeSean Jackson as the only other receiver going in the first. So under his draft both Kelly and Sweed fall out of the first round (also hard to believe).
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&page=kipermock080401
McShay's mock is somewhat different. He has Malcolm Kelly going 11th to the Bills, Albert 19th to the Eagles, Harvey 13th to the Panthers, Devin Thomas 20th to the Bucs, Jackson to the Cowboys at 22, and Sweed 29th to the 49ers.
So McShay has us passing on Sweed and taking Philip Merling (who Kiper has going 17th to the Vikings) with the 21st pick.
| Quote: | 21. Washington Redskins -- Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
Record: 9-7 | Needs: WR, S, DE, OT, CB, G, C
Previous mock selection: Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
The Redskins' top priority is to add a big, playmaking receiver. But with Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas off the board, expect them to address that need later in the draft. In the meantime, they could either take a chance on Merling, who is dropping due to a recently discovered sports hernia, or fill the void at safety by taking the only potential first-rounder this class has to offer, Kenny Phillips. When healthy, Merling has an outstanding combination of size, quickness and power, which would make him a good fit in a rotation with veteran Phillip Daniels at left end. |
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/insider/columns/story?columnist=mcshay_todd&page=mcshaymock0401 |
Brandon Albert! Where have I heard that name before?
Oh, yeah he is the guy I have been saying all along we should draft at 21 and some people said that we shouldn't waste a 1st rounder on a guard and now some see him as a top ten pick. Some teams are projecting him at OT and many teams feal he could play every position on the line. He is a rare type of guy that would fill a starting position of need for us and we would be foolish to pass him up if still available at 21. |
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ChocolateMilk
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Limas Sweed! Limas Sweed! Limas Sweed!! |
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:22 am Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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| skinsfan#33 wrote: | Brandon Albert! Where have I heard that name before?
Oh, yeah he is the guy I have been saying all along we should draft at 21 and some people said that we shouldn't waste a 1st rounder on a guard and now some see him as a top ten pick. Some teams are projecting him at OT and many teams feal he could play every position on the line. He is a rare type of guy that would fill a starting position of need for us and we would be foolish to pass him up if still available at 21. |
Branden Albert might very well be a great draft selection, for a team whose top priority is an offensive lineman. The Washington Redskins top priority is pass defense. When your team has the 4th ranked run defense, but only the 16th ranked overall defense, the area of need is obvious.
Offensively, the Washington Redskins scored 19.6 points per game. 25.0 points per game would have placed the Redskins in the top five scoring offenses in the league. Simply having the quarterback and the wide receivers healthy for the entire season would have helped offensively.
Furthermore, offensive guards are not players to whom most teams want to pay first round money if it can be avoided. First round money is usually reserved for skill positions or impact players. Were Branden Albert a dominant left tackle prospect, several teams would be chomping at the bit. I'm sure a few teams are anyway.
Team Needs:
Pass Rushing Defensive End (Starter)
Phillip Daniels is 35 and well on the downside of his career.
Wide Receivers (Starter and Depth)
#2 possession receiver and #5 receiver.
Linebacker (Possible Starter and Depth)
McIntosh's knees and Washington's health. The Skins have Blades and who as backups?
Safety (Depth)
Landry and Doughty as starters is acceptable. Fox as the only backup is disconcerting.
Cornerback (Depth)
Springs is 35, Smoot is not a #1 cornerback, Rogers is on IR, Torrence doesn't read passing routes well enough to play full-time. (Inexperience)
Offensive Guard (Depth)
Thomas' Age and Health, Kendall's Age, Fabini's Age |
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VetSkinsFan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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| GSPODS wrote: | | skinsfan#33 wrote: | Brandon Albert! Where have I heard that name before?
Oh, yeah he is the guy I have been saying all along we should draft at 21 and some people said that we shouldn't waste a 1st rounder on a guard and now some see him as a top ten pick. Some teams are projecting him at OT and many teams feal he could play every position on the line. He is a rare type of guy that would fill a starting position of need for us and we would be foolish to pass him up if still available at 21. |
Branden Albert might very well be a great draft selection, for a team whose top priority is an offensive lineman. The Washington Redskins top priority is pass defense. When your team has the 4th ranked run defense, but only the 16th ranked overall defense, the area of need is obvious.
Offensively, the Washington Redskins scored 19.6 points per game. 25.0 points per game would have placed the Redskins in the top five scoring offenses in the league. Simply having the quarterback and the wide receivers healthy for the entire season would have helped offensively.
Furthermore, offensive guards are not players to whom most teams want to pay first round money if it can be avoided. First round money is usually reserved for skill positions or impact players. Were Branden Albert a dominant left tackle prospect, several teams would be chomping at the bit. I'm sure a few teams are anyway.
Team Needs:
Pass Rushing Defensive End (Starter)
Phillip Daniels is 35 and well on the downside of his career.
Wide Receivers (Starter and Depth)
#2 possession receiver and #5 receiver.
Linebacker (Possible Starter and Depth)
McIntosh's knees and Washington's health. The Skins have Blades and who as backups?
Safety (Depth)
Landry and Doughty as starters is acceptable. Fox as the only backup is disconcerting.
Cornerback (Depth)
Springs is 35, Smoot is not a #1 cornerback, Rogers is on IR, Torrence doesn't read passing routes well enough to play full-time. (Inexperience)
Offensive Guard (Depth)
Thomas' Age and Health, Kendall's Age, Fabini's Age |
The only thing I would add to this list (well, modify, not actually change) is that we need D-LINE help. I'm not content with our tackles as well. We need someone to collapse the pocket as well as pash rush from the outside. None of our guys have developed into that DT yet. |
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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| VetSkinsFan wrote: | | The only thing I would add to this list (well, modify, not actually change) is that we need D-LINE help. I'm not content with our tackles as well. We need someone to collapse the pocket as well as pash rush from the outside. None of our guys have developed into that DT yet. |
Assuming the Redskins do not trade away any of their draft picks, which remains an assumption until the draft is over, nine selections is enough to address every team need. Defensive tackles have relatively short careers. That could be why the Skins passed on the few available in free agency. I think any semblance of a consistent pass rush would make the entire Redskins defense look better. The Defensive tackle rotation must not be too bad, though, since the Skins did rank #4 in rushing defense.
Off on a tangent>
Others have posted to take the best player available, regardless of position. Take the best player available at a position of need. What good is Matt Ryan to the Colts? Or Darren McFadden to the Vikings? |
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SkinsFreak
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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| CanesSkins26 wrote: | | has DeSean Jackson as the only other receiver going in the first. So under his draft both Kelly and Sweed fall out of the first round (also hard to believe). |
It would be interesting if Sweed, Kelly and Thomas were all available when we pick. You could possibly trade down a few spots, get an extra 2nd rounder and perhaps even more picks, and still get one of those receivers. |
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:49 am Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | | CanesSkins26 wrote: | | has DeSean Jackson as the only other receiver going in the first. So under his draft both Kelly and Sweed fall out of the first round (also hard to believe). |
It would be interesting if Sweed, Kelly and Thomas were all available when we pick. You could possibly trade down a few spots, get an extra 2nd rounder and perhaps even more picks, and still get one of those receivers. |
No chance of that happening. Buffalo will take one of those three, probably Kelly. |
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SkinsFreak
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 Oh, yeah, I forgot you're a psychic with a crystal ball. 
Anything could happen. Buffalo could take Branden Albert since they now know they need an upgrade for Dockery...
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VetSkinsFan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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| GSPODS wrote: | | VetSkinsFan wrote: | | The only thing I would add to this list (well, modify, not actually change) is that we need D-LINE help. I'm not content with our tackles as well. We need someone to collapse the pocket as well as pash rush from the outside. None of our guys have developed into that DT yet. |
Assuming the Redskins do not trade away any of their draft picks, which remains an assumption until the draft is over, nine selections is enough to address every team need. Defensive tackles have relatively short careers. That could be why the Skins passed on the few available in free agency. I think any semblance of a consistent pass rush would make the entire Redskins defense look better. The Defensive tackle rotation must not be too bad, though, since the Skins did rank #4 in rushing defense.
Off on a tangent>
Others have posted to take the best player available, regardless of position. Take the best player available at a position of need. What good is Matt Ryan to the Colts? Or Darren McFadden to the Vikings? |
I agree with you, but there's a difference in pass rush and stopping the run. We need someone to collapse the pocket from the inside that will help with the D vs the pass. If the QB has all the time in the world, your team is bound to win. That's one major factor in why the Giants got the ring this year and not the Pats, Brady DIDN'T have his usual time in the pocket. |
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GSPODS
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:16 am Post subject: |
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| SkinsFreak wrote: | Oh, yeah, I forgot you're a psychic with a crystal ball.
Anything could happen. Buffalo could take Branden Albert since they now know they need an upgrade for Dockery...
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I suppose the fact that I live near Buffalo and see all of the press conferences and interviews with Ralph Wilson and company, in addition to all of the local news and papers, in addition to the local sports, in addition to the 200+ mock drafts that all say Buffalo will take Malcolm Kelly at #11 are enough evidence to convince me that Buffalo will take a wide receiver in the first round.
Even if Buffalo doesn't take a wide receiver, Tampa and Philly also need wide receivers. The odds of both Kelly and Sweed being available at #21 are Zero. There isn't enough talent in this draft for both of them to slide that far.
Could I be wrong? Of course. But I didn't just pull that assumption out of my keyster. |
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VetSkinsFan
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| GSPODS wrote: | | SkinsFreak wrote: | Oh, yeah, I forgot you're a psychic with a crystal ball.
Anything could happen. Buffalo could take Branden Albert since they now know they need an upgrade for Dockery...
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I suppose the fact that I live near Buffalo and see all of the press conferences and interviews with Ralph Wilson and company, in addition to all of the local news and papers, in addition to the local sports, in addition to the 200+ mock drafts that all say Buffalo will take Malcolm Kelly at #11 are enough evidence to convince me that Buffalo will take a wide receiver in the first round.
Even if Buffalo doesn't take a wide receiver, Tampa and Philly also need wide receivers. The odds of both Kelly and Sweed being available at #21 are Zero. There isn't enough talent in this draft for both of them to slide that far.
Could I be wrong? Of course. But I didn't just pull that assumption out of my keyster. |
What makes you think you can back up your opinion with reserach and call it informed?!!???  |
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PulpExposure
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: Re: New ESPN Mock Drafts |
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| skinsfan#33 wrote: | | Oh, yeah he is the guy I have been saying all along we should draft at 21 and some people said that we shouldn't waste a 1st rounder on a guard and now some see him as a top ten pick. Some teams are projecting him at OT and many teams feal he could play every position on the line. He is a rare type of guy that would fill a starting position of need for us and we would be foolish to pass him up if still available at 21. |
Well to be fair, Kiper is predicting him as the #5 pick as a Left Tackle, not a guard. |
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GSPODS
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| VetSkinsFan wrote: | | What makes you think you can back up your opinion with reserach and call it informed?!!??? |
I have no idea. It never worked for me before. You would think I would have learned my lesson about claiming to know anything about anything.
Apparently, either you know everything or you know nothing here at THN and there is no in between. Opinons are expressed and taken as fact. Facts, regardless of the volume of supporting evidence, are taken as opinion.
Maybe I just like being told I have no idea what I'm talking about. I must. I hear it from my wife at least twelve times a day. |
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VetSkinsFan
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| GSPODS wrote: | | VetSkinsFan wrote: | | What makes you think you can back up your opinion with reserach and call it informed?!!??? |
I have no idea. It never worked for me before. You would think I would have learned my lesson about claiming to know anything about anything.
Apparently, either you know everything or you know nothing here at THN and there is no in between. Opinons are expressed and taken as fact. Facts, regardless of the volume of supporting evidence, are taken as opinion.
Maybe I just like being told I have no idea what I'm talking about. I must. I hear it from my wife at least twelve times a day. |
Only 12? You're doing pretty good then  |
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