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Postby The Hogster » Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:13 pm

If we can trade back and pick up an extra pick in this year's or next year's round 1 or 2, then we should do it. We need a QB, but there will be a good one in the Second Round. This year's draft is top heavy with Offensive Lineman, and we need to grab at least 2 of them early IMO.
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Postby frankcal20 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:00 pm

I agree but the only way we see that happening is if we trade w/ SF who have the #13 and #16 picks. They would move up 9 spots and get a premium guy at a majority of positions and we could possibly pick up the #2 and #3 lineman in the draft.

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Postby Gibbs4Life » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:15 pm

I'm not big on trading back from a top 5 pick; I would want more than 13 and 16
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Postby frankcal20 » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:26 pm

If we traded out of the #4 for their 13 and 16 here is the way the value works out:

#4 pick is worth 1800 points

#13 is worth 1150
#16 is worth 1000

That means that we are short 350 points which works out to about a mid to late 2nd round pick we should be throwing in.

Now I'm would imagine that a team may place additional value on a pick if a player they like is available so that may make sense. Here is where I got the info.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

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Postby SkinsJock » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:47 pm

HEROHAMO wrote:I was also pretty pissed Mccoy did not go back into the game. I read afterwards that Brown would not let him into the game.
Honestly I like Colt but I do question how injured his shoulder was. I am thinking it was a stinger. I am no doctor. I am just speculating of course but it was the biggest game of his life. You cant tell me he cant force his way into the game?


c'mon man - did you not see the hit and it was just in the right place

there is a report out now that the trainer would not allow him to play - do you really think a college kid has the right to tell a coach or a doctor "hey! leave me alone. This is my life not yours - I don't give a damn about how much it might hurt the team by my being in there. I deserve this and I'm just going to go in and play" - RIGHT :shock:

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Postby Gibbs4Life » Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:55 pm

I don't give a damn about how much it might hurt the team by my being in there. I deserve this and I'm just going to go in and play"


That statement would've showed McCoy had some manhood, he doesnt

Colt was the teams only chance, its leader, its heart and soul, he should've been a man about it instead of a _______

Again if any team can do without a porcelain QB its ours.
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Postby frankcal20 » Sun Jan 10, 2010 12:59 am

Agonizing night for Texas QBs
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By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports Jan 8, 3:53 am EST


PASADENA, Calif. – Colt McCoy lined up about 7 yards from his dad, Brad. This was inside the Texas locker room underneath the Rose Bowl bleachers, the Longhorns quarterback missing the biggest game of his career, about to attempt the most important throw of his life.

Colt had the ball and was going to pass it to his dad as a slew of doctors and trainers watched closely. How many times had these two thrown a football back and forth, from their yard in little Tuscola, Texas, to the practice fields of Jim Ned High School, where the dad was the coach and the son was the star?

“Millions,” Colt said. “Millions of times.”

Colt had just lied to the Texas doctors and said that he was capable of returning to the BCS title game against Alabama. A hit by the Tide’s Marcell Dareus, on the fifth play of the game, had sent him to this locker room. He wanted back out there. So he tried to sound convincing despite the fact his arm felt “like a noodle.”

He hadn’t come this far to sit. Colt McCoy was going to lead Texas to the championship. He believed this. He’d always believed this. When he went down, he said, “We were about to dominate.” They weren’t going to lose, not where the Longhorns had last won a championship in 2005, not against a team against whom they’d never lost, certainly not 37-21, as the scoreboard would show after 60 minutes.

Yet on the TV in the corner, he had seen it all fade away in his absence. Alabama was rolling; Texas’ early lead was long gone.

So Colt gripped the ball, stared at his dad and thought, “It’s just a simple throw.” He threw. The ball went soft and wide. Everyone grimaced. “Give it to me again,” Colt demanded. Brad got the ball and gave it back to his son. The next throw was the same, bouncing harmlessly away. “Give it to me again,” Colt said, again. Brad did.

It was the same. It was over. Colt couldn’t throw it 7 yards to his own father. “My arm was dead,” he said. The dad hugged his son. The son broke down and cried.

“There’s no pain on my body,” Colt said later. “If I was a free safety, I’d go out there and make a tackle. I [just] have no strength to throw a football.”


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/n ... &type=lgns

Here's a little something you can read up on. You'll have the real picture. If you honestly think that he would do anything than hurt the team, then you're not thinking rationally. But I'm sure after reading this, you'll see that it was best for everyone that he not come in.

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Postby Gibbs4Life » Sun Jan 10, 2010 2:04 am

But I'm sure after reading this, you'll see that it was best for everyone that he not come in.


Well that's fine, and still did you see the hit that put him out?
Now imagine him taking what Campbell took this year. He would be dead, we literally would have a death on the field.
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Postby Deadskins » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:51 am

Gibbs4Life wrote:I'm not big on trading back from a top 5 pick; I would want more than 13 and 16

13 and 16 would be a steal for us, and you want more? I'd be talking to SF all off-season trying to get this done.
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Postby PulpExposure » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:51 am

Just to remind folks, there hasn't been a trade in the top 5 of the draft since the Eli Manning trade in 2004. In addition to the trade value chart, you have to factor in compensation. While picks 10 onwards are more reasonably compensated, there's just way too much money (and guarenteed money) going to those top 5 picks.

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Postby frankcal20 » Sun Jan 10, 2010 1:02 pm

Thankfully, this year I believe will be the last year that rookie's make the money they are paid. Vet players are also asking for the rookie salary cap. It's just a matter of if they are slotted salaries or what the payment schedule will be.

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Postby markshark84 » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:26 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:No McCoy is too soft to draft, did you see the hit that knocked him out! lol McCoy makes Campbell look like IRONMAN

Furthermore, this is the biggest game of McCoys life, alittle toughness is in order, my arm would have to be completely severed before I would go to the sidelines let alone walk off into the locker room.

What we learned = mccoy = no leader


I think it is obvious you have never had a stinger. When your arm goes numb, it literally goes numb. You can't move it. I hate when guys come on here and think they understand injuries when it is obvious they have no clue what they are talking about. Getting hit right below the shoulder blade can make an entire side of your body go completely limp.

And if you were to go back in with a numb arm, you would be a selfish prick who didn't care about his team. McCoy was making a sacrifice. Do you know why he came back to school this year? -- to win a national championship. If he had feeling in his arm, he would have played. In fact, he tried to convince the docs that he could play, but agreed after doing movement tests.

Also, JC is an ironman. Did you watch the games this year. I have a ton of respect for JC's toughness.

I am in no way a McCoy supporter for a first round pick, but you can't put the blame on him.

And as far as not being a leader, the fact that the team FELL APART in his departure is a an indiciation that he is a leader. When non-leaders like JC leave the game, we make the playoffs.

That post is just an example of someone that doesn't understand competitive sports, injuries, or an understanding of leadership in general.
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Postby CanesSkins26 » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:38 pm

frankcal20 wrote:I agree but the only way we see that happening is if we trade w/ SF who have the #13 and #16 picks. They would move up 9 spots and get a premium guy at a majority of positions and we could possibly pick up the #2 and #3 lineman in the draft.


The 49ers arent going to do that. They need help at multiple positions and it would make zero sense for them to do that.
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Postby langleyparkjoe » Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:01 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:Now imagine him taking what Campbell took this year. He would be dead, we literally would have a death on the field.


That's what I've been saying and yes, I am one of the aforementioned that believes ANY QB with THIS OL, is destined for injuries. Again, gotta give it to JC, he may not be a good QB, but that dude can definitely take a lick and keep on ticking. Say it with me friends, OL, OL, OL... :lol:
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Postby UK Skins Fan » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:06 pm

Gibbs4Life wrote:
But I'm sure after reading this, you'll see that it was best for everyone that he not come in.


Well that's fine, and still did you see the hit that put him out?
Now imagine him taking what Campbell took this year. He would be dead, we literally would have a death on the field.

Literally? Lol - congratulations G4L; your post has just registered a 9.2 on my hyperbole meter ;-)
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